March 09, 2006
DPW Caves.
This bothers me, because it just isn't right. But no one consulted me, and the consensus out there seems to be that it's okay to have a British company running our ports—as long as there aren't any sand niggers involved. Sigh. What a defeat for liberal ideals.
Now. Is there an American company out there that can even do this? Anyone? Bueller?
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Yes, there is one American company with the background and resources to handle this job. It's called Halliburton. I suspect Hilary, Schumer, et al have been silent on this point because if Bush had handed the contract to Halliburton they could have beaten him up for that too.
Another candidate would have been Maersk, which is Danish-owned.
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Assuming the deal is structured such that the current P&O port management staff is retained, and their systems are also made available as part of the deal: anyone could run it as long as they had sufficient general knowledge of the transportation industry to avoid doing too many dumb things. Those actually *interested* in running it would likely be those who have businesses which would have some synergy (as much as I hate the word) with the activity.
FedEx and UPS might be candidates: both are moving beyond package shipping toward being broader logistics providers. A major railroad might be interested: lots of intermodal shipments begin and end at ports, as do commodity shipments such as coal. Or a private equity firm could put together a new company with some seasoned shipping executives to run it.
Posted by: David Foster at March 09, 2006 04:28 PM (oYL9v)
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Ha! Halliburton!
Oh, the irony.
There's PSA International, but they're from Singapore. I don't know of any American companies that do this, but frankly, I'm embarrassed to be an American today.
NYT: A Ship Already Sailed
Posted by: Matthew T. Armstrong at March 09, 2006 08:59 PM (j8tss)
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SSA Marine out of Seattle...maybe with a partner. Maybe this is a good time to clean house at all the US ports and change some union-mandated practices like re-entering shipping orders received electronically, to give a job to a few more union members. And 24-hour operations at every port.
Speaking of Washington State leads me to think about Oregon. And Oregon gets me thinking about Cascade Mountain Gin...Ever try it? They say they are one of the only distillers actually using real juniper berries. I think you should be the official tester for this one. It should sell for around $18.95 or so, if you can find it. I'll organize a fundraiser to recoup your costs once you give us your opinion.
Posted by: Darrell at March 09, 2006 09:02 PM (jcUK2)
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Wow; what a burden. That's tough.
You know what, though? I'll do it.
I'm actually beginning to think that different gins serve different purposes: the dry ones are great for martinis (which I rarely drink any more--even my micro-mini ones that I make here at home) vs. gin and tonics.
I decided to give Beefeater a try, and it's suprisingly good--dry in the Bombay Sapphire style, rather than the mellower mold of Tanqueray/Tanq 10.
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 09, 2006 11:34 PM (s96U4)
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The Dubai ports deal was lost in the establishment reaction to the threat to the Danish cartoonist and newspaper, the declining to publish the cartoons, the murder of a Catholic priest in Turkey. Let me argue by analogy. Several years ago some prisoners were taken, literally, on a field trip, out of prison, a little fresh air, countryside. Six used the occasion to find a wrinkle in security and sneak out in a van. They came to Dallas, stole guns in a daylight robbery at a store, and seeing a policeman drive up, a seemingly quiet, passive guy, earlier a security guard at my hospital, shot him several times in the head and neck, kaput. The guys are on the loose. Looking out of my building one day, you could see 3 police cars in tandem scooting down the highway. To me the police had lost control, the 'bad guys' were in charge a little bit. You wouldn't be surprised that at that time the County Commissioners didn't discover a plan to save taxpayer's money and rehabilitate prisoners by saying they were going to let selected prisoners hire out for the day to work at private homes. Yet, the establishment said 'the Muslims are in control here, you can't expect us to speak freely as we usually do, these are they, keep your head down.' And then, shortly thereafter, 'You know what; we've got a business deal, with Muslims, to run a port process on US soil.' If we had just had the requirement that all business deals over 1 milion US had to be closed with gin, this might not have come up. good thread. Thanks for the Beefeaters suggestion.
Posted by: michael at March 10, 2006 06:45 AM (Rnf/b)
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Heavy is her head, she who wears the Crown...
Distillers, and all businesses for that matter, should be filling your mailbox with products for you to try everyday, if they knew what was good for them. Sales would go through the ROOF, assuming the product was tasty or otherwise excellent, of course. The IT world is abuzz right now with tales of pulling out every sort of pharmaceutical imaginable from every opening imaginable in computers all over the world! Forget Faith Popcorn! LMA starts the trends! And I bet a really good distiller would dispatch a bartender to prepare those G&Ts...and tie lemon and lime zest strips into little bows, too. We first "taste" with our eyes, you know!
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March 08, 2006
"Keep America's Ports in American Hands."
Are there any legislators out there with anything between their ears?
Morons, indeed.
Lewis' signature line reminds me of Archie Bunker's complaint that it was hard to get "American food, like hamburgers and spaghetti."
Memo to the GOP: you're slow-dancing with Chuck Schumer. Isn't there some kind of clue in there that emotion has trumped analysis?
UPDATE: Sean points out this article, in which former CIA officer Larry Johnson expresses concerns about how existing DPW ports are being run:
"When you look at three of the top world ports for smuggling, counterfeit and contraband activity, those are, by my count, Hong Kong, Dubai and Panama. Dubai Ports World controls two of the three" Johnson said, referring to Dubai and Hong Kong.
Of course, my understanding is that the same command strucuture will remain in place at P&O: the only difference is that dark-skinned people who well might be Muslims will be sitting in a boardroom, half a world away, providing oversight to P&O.
And if there are two "wild West-style" ports being run at present by DPW, how many others are they running with very little contraband going through? (As I recall, there are 21 others.)
Kenton E. Kelly—aka Dennis the Peasant—wrote a scathing commentary in Reason Online about how the hysteria over the DPW port deal does not make us look very good among pro-Western factions in the Middle East. Not at all. We are pissing off people whose help we need badly.
The rough draft for that article ran as a blog post that later got pulled off his site (which is fair enough; after all, he'd sold the piece to Reason Online). But the original gets quoted a fair amount by The Lounsbury—another curmudgeon in Dennis' mold—right here, with some brilliant commentary and amplification.
(In general, the best information about the DPW Ports deal is being covered very well both at Dennis the Peasant and at Lounsbury's place.
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Instead of griping and whiniing about the buyers of the ports, why don't you complain about the sellers? This wouldn't be an issue if not for the simple fact that damn near everything in America is for sale. And the buyers of today may be our allies of today but tomorrow is another day.
Remember: Iraq, with Hussein at the helm, was once an ally.
(and so what if the buyers are Muslim, or Jewish, or Bahai, or Atheist - so what? There's good and bad people of all faiths and beliefs. Double or halve your meds, dear, but do something.)
Posted by: littlemrmahatma at March 09, 2006 09:01 AM (zKH+d)
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I want to know why B. Clinton isn't being investigate for illegaly brokering this deal. I also want to know when Hillary learned about it. How come the MSM is ignoring these crimes?
Posted by: Jack at March 09, 2006 10:09 AM (YSsdZ)
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Well, thanks for the link, which led me here.
As to the question by "Jack"
This is very simple (should you wish to acquire a modicum of information easily attainable in the public domain, say by reading reputable papers like
The Financial Times)):
Mr. Clinton did fuck all to "broker" the P&O - DPW deal. The P&O - DPW deal is a UK-UAE deal that was and is about P&O's global assets, not some some poorly managed behind the times American leases. The US, not being the center of the world nor even the center of port industry growth, was incidental.
The public record has Clinton advising DPW-P&O on < b>post-facto deal management.
The media in general appear to have ill-informed types such as yourself all in a lather over quite literaly utterly unfactual things. That and the risibly ill-informed "blogosphere."
Perhaps a carve out to satisfy American-know nothing nativist will in the end serve all well enough. In the meantime in the UK, the High Court blazingly slammed down the ignoramus law suits brought by some Americas (notably Eller & Co, already in some typically ludicrous legal dispute with P&O).
Posted by: The Lounsbury at March 09, 2006 10:55 AM (kDiQv)
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Actually, Mahatma, I wasn't "griping and whining" about the buyers of the ports—nor their (British) sellers. I was griping and whining about the anti-Arab hysteria that would have our ports run badly by Americans, rather than well by some dirty, dirty Arabs.
Right: Iraq was once an ally. So was the U.S.S.R., under Uncle Joey Stalin. And the Brits once burned down the White House. So what? The suggestion that we just retreat into some sort of shell and not deal with the outside world is silly: the outside world will most certainly come to us.
and so what if the buyers are Muslim, or Jewish, or Bahai, or Atheist - so what? There's good and bad people of all faiths and beliefs. Double or halve your meds, dear, but do something.)
I think it's interesting that you have my position here exactly 180 degrees away from what it actually is. Guess my irony was lost on you . . . disappointing. Very disappointing.
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 09, 2006 12:46 PM (s96U4)
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There you go, playing the race card again.
Ok, lets give control of our ports to another company owned by a repressive regime; one with a political infrastructure devoid of democratic tendencies and an automatic jail sentence for any criticism of its government, just like in the UAEÂ… A regime that doesnÂ’t condone Christianity either, but at least you donÂ’t go to jail for putting up Christmas decorations, like in the UAEÂ… A country that although technologically behind the times still treats its women a heck of allot better than the UAE doesÂ… A country never suspected of funneling money thru its banks to 9/11 terroristsÂ… A country much closer to home with many nationals who are active members in the Republican Party.
Lets give this country 5 years to buddy up to The US, as UAE did after 9-11 and by some miracle become obscenely rich, like the UAE.
Lets give Cuba a chance!
And if for ANY reason, you say NO! I get to call you a racist against Hispanics.
And if the concern was to not look bad among pro-Western factions in the Middle East Â…
Maybe invading Iraq wasn’t such a good idea…uh? , ‘cause that certainly pissed them off! (All except for Kuwait, which was the ONLY member of the Arab league not against invading Iraq)
Posted by: Yolanda at March 10, 2006 08:08 AM (OosKM)
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So, Yolanda, I assume you've been up in arms about the Chinese involvement in the American shipping business. Right?
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 10, 2006 11:15 PM (s96U4)
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Lounsbury;
My comment was meant as sarcasim in that if anyone related to Bush had a part in this deal there would be demands for a special prosecuter. Whereas the MSM has tried to minimize Clintons involement.
Especially since Clinton has received money for his library from the UAE and received large sums for speeches made in Dubai.
Also was Clinton a registered lobyist for a foreign country.
I believe that you have gotten the wrong opinion of me and need to read my other earlier posts on this subject.
Posted by: Jack at March 11, 2006 11:26 AM (anUeX)
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Loonsbury
My comment was sarcasim towards the MSM who would have demanded an independent investigator if it would have been Bush.
Clinton was still a lobbyist (unregistered) for the UAE.
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March 01, 2006
Malkin, on the Port Deal
Just as some people throw out the word "racist" too easily, others throw out the "how dare you call me a racist?" rejoinder as if it were a rhetorical molecule. Next thing you know, we're
talking past each other again.
The UAE is our "friend," we are told, and to question that assertion, we are scolded, is to engage in reckless prejudice and life-threatening insult. Yes, well, some friends are more equal than others. To instinctively trust a longtime, stalwart Western democracy more than an Arab newcomer with a mixed record on combating terror, international crime, and Islamic extremism is not "Islamophobia." It's self-preservationist in a time of war.
We are at war, aren't we?
Yes. We are at war. That's why it's important for us to bank on our brains, and employ honest risk assessments, rather than using our "instincts."
The underlying argument—the one people aren't talking about much—has to do with how to spread classical liberalism, economic opportunity, and—yes, dammit—the best Western of values.
Is it better to partially engage, as we do with China, and co-opt potential opponents—and yet end up with dirty hands? Or do we apply the hardline stance we use in Cuba? Obviously, each situation is different: China is not Cuba, and neither is perfectly analogous to any Middle Eastern state.
But philosophically I lean toward engagement, as opposed to something that appears to flirt dangerously with "fuck you, you dirty Arab; come back when your entire society is perfect, and your track record squeaky clean (which, of course, ours in the U.S. is not)."
Most people who are intimately familiar with the UAE are supportive of this deal, and feel that the progress there is tremendous. But even if the UAE were as shady as Malkin asserts, isn't there an old saying about keeping one's friends close and one's enemies closer?
Color me yet-to-be-convinced that this is an awful idea. Though I'm still listening.
(Via Hackbarth, who likewise is still saying, "show me the security risks.")
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You'll forgive me if I'm less-than-enthusiastic about a country whose royal family has been known to go hunting with Uncle Usama...
That said, I don't see DPWorld as more of a threat to US interests than the other foreign companies that run a significant chunck of our port facilities. And Dubai is probably one of the most...western leaning...of the Arab nations. And DPW (as well as P&O) has been very upfront and open about their desired transaction with the US regulators as well as those in national security.
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On the Drudge report is a link;
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/60414c4c-a95e-11da-a64b-0000779e2340.html
It says Bill Clinton helped broker the deal.
I still say that although I am not happy about the news I am hearing I still think most of it is all politics. China still has an interest in the ports on the West coast and nobody seems to care.
As to Al-Qadia slipping an agent in through the UAE they could just as easily do the same thru Briton or the USA. After all how many imigrants from arab countries are on the East coast working in the ports now?
I think everbody is jumping to preconcieved conclusions to support their own party.
Prediction: 2 Months from now the whole thing will be settled, the democrats will make a big showing how they can protect this country by having a committee, the repbulicans will make a big show of distancing themselves from Bush bashing the deal, the deal will pass after the UAE makes concesions above and beyond what any other port operator does.
Posted by: Jack at March 01, 2006 05:37 PM (pcSPw)
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IÂ’m still not convinced.
If this deal goes thru, no imports or exports would be allowed to or from Israel, because according to the Jerusalem Post:
” Dubai Ports World,~ is entirely owned by the Government of Dubai via a holding company called the Ports, Customs and Free Zone Corporation (PCZC), which consists of the Dubai Port Authority, the Dubai Customs Department and the Jebel Ali Free Zone Area. ~ Muhammad Rashid a-Din, a staff member of the Dubai Customs Department's Office states that "Yes, of course the boycott (of Israeli products) is still in place and is still enforced" Furthermore, Dubai's Jebel Ali Free Zone Area, which is also part of the PCZC, advises importers that they will need
"to comply with the terms of the boycott.” So if this deal passes we will be boycotting, Israel, an ally.
Question. I donÂ’t know much about Sovereign territory. But I do know that foreign governments that own soil within US borders are usually as embassies or consulates. Does any other foreign government own territory on US soil that isnÂ’t an embassy or a consulate? The US government has no right to the information held by foreign embassies or consulates. Would the same apply to ports in American territory owned by foreign governments? IÂ’m not trying to be fictitious. This is a genuine question.
If Dubai Ports World were a private company, that can move It’s headquarters from one country to another if need be, holds no allegiances except to its bottom line, and doesn’t need to pander to their “subjects” I would be allot more comfortable with this deal.
Posted by: Yolanda at March 01, 2006 09:02 PM (dLzW2)
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Don't worry Yolanda, George Dubai Bush will take care of everything. Just trust him, like you always have. Look people in the press only paint the negative stuff, like this war in Iraq. They don't talk about the billions of dollars that we are spending making schools, hospitals, parks for kids, and sewer and water for villages that never had water or sewer. They don't talk about all the oil that is still flowing, and how many previous Iraqi soldiers have switched sides and joined US.
The press only wants to talk about kidnappings and murder and suicide bombings. they are just isolated incidents of some disgruntled Bathists and Insurgents. The real news is that there have been three elections and the country is on its way to freedom and democracy. Soon Iraq will be the first muslim country to recognize Isreal, then Afghanistan, and If UAE want this port deal, then that is what they will have to do. These are all good things thanks to the war on terror. And the terrorists are on the run. So you see Yolanda, your Jewish interests are safe with the president. Just Trust HIM.
Posted by: Azmat Hussain at March 01, 2006 11:45 PM (PHUbk)
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Azmat,
Do you want to explain how you meant this?--
So you see Yolanda, your Jewish interests are safe with the president.
Thanks.
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 02, 2006 08:03 AM (s96U4)
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Yolanda
The ports will NOT be owned by UAE. As I understand it they will be responsible for the containers and unloading and loading. They will have NO ownership of the ports.
I have also read (but would have to do a search) that they are already working with Isreal on ports. Whether they are shipping to Israel or working in their ports I am not sure. I can check and get back with the group if someone doesn't find it first.
I am also sure that their will be no blocking of shipments to Israel unless it is from the left wing 'kick the Israeli out of Palastiene' groups.
Posted by: Jack at March 02, 2006 11:04 AM (YneVa)
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She seemed to be concerned about products that are made in Israel. What I am suggesting is that there is nothing to worry about. The Israeli products will not be stoped here in the US at those ports that may be run by UAE. Also the concern is that UAE does not recognize Israel and therefore is unworthy for our business. I am suggesting that the Bush Administration will put pressure on UAE to do just that.
Posted by: Azmat Hussain at March 02, 2006 05:51 PM (wosqx)
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Okey-doke. I'm afraid the phrase "your Jewish interests" hit me a bit sideways. I'm hoping that wasn't a subtle way of putting down those of us who support Israel and feel that it should continue to survive--or those who get upset at some of the antisemitism in places like Europe (and, well, the Middle East).
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 02, 2006 07:25 PM (s96U4)
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The wonderful thing about email and blog posting is that without facial expressions and vocal inflections it is rife for misinterpitations.
I have had many emails bite me in the ass because of wording as well as taking umbrage of others (although I may have been right, they were out to get me 8^)).
ps
Sarcasim almost always fails in emails too.
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February 24, 2006
Harrell Sums Up
. . . the
Port Deal Controversy.
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Nice post.
I still haven't heard a thing from the MSM on who is running the rest of the ports. I guess the only way they get the news is if it is leaked or shoved down their throats.
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February 23, 2006
The Port Issue
As usual, Malkin is able to make a cogent-sounding—yet somehow still unpersuasive—
case for the DPW deal being an unwarranted risk. But at least we can't accuse her of not having enough information on it: go to her site, and you may drown in data. (Not all of it helpful, mind you: but it does contain facts, which we could all use more of.)
Via commenter Jack, though I should have realized Malkin would be a treasure-trove on this.
Contrariwise, Hackbarth has an update on senatorial self-importance in this arena.
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February 22, 2006
The Ports Deal
Sean basically
has this one right: there aren't a lot of good solid arguments against the DPW running our ports. I'm also hearing a lot of "ick, Arabs" stuff that's pretty offensive.
Remember, folks: if we turn into a nation of bigots, the terrorists will abso-fuckin'-lutely have won.
UPDATE: David Foster of Photon Courier and Chicago Boyz is smarter than I am (which is offensive to me, but he doesn't seem to do it on purpose) and he responds in my comments:
Remember, ports are used for export as well as import (as hard as this is to remember sometimes) What happens if we need this export capacity in support of a major military operation?...and the government in question disapproves of the operation and decides to shut down the ports? We will have just lost a huge % of our total outbound freight capacity, until we can take control and reorganize things.
This is not a theoretical objection. Already, during the current Iraq war, a European company refused to supply JDAM missile parts on grounds that its country was a neutral in that war.
At a bare minimum, the company and the government should be required to post a surety bond, forfeitable in event of nonperformance as described above, of such magnitude that its loss would bankrupt the company and take a major chunk of of the hide of the government.
And Yolanda adds:
The UAE has not done much to vociferously support America in front of its citizens, nor does it forcefully condemn acts of terrorism perpetrated by its citizens.
She suggests that deals of this magnitude should be reserved for more reliable partners in the War on Terror.
I'm still wondering, however, what the real risks are here: presumably for the DPW to stop running the ports for some reason (because we're defending those nasty Jews again, say) would cost them money they couldn't afford to lose. I'm still more concerned about our dependence on foreign oil than I am about this particular deal.
But let's keep talking.
UPDATE 2: Marshall Manson weighs in over at On Tap. He'd like us all to take a chill pill, too.
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Remember, ports are used for export as well as import (as hard as this is to remember sometimes) What happens if we need this export capacity in support of a major military operation?...and the government in question disapproves of the operation and decides to shut down the ports? We will have just lost a huge % of our total outbound freight capacity, until we can take control and reorganize things.
This is not a theoretical objection. Already, during the current Iraq war, a European company refused to supply JDAM missile parts on grounds that its country was a neutral in that war.
At a bare minimum, the company and the government should be required to post a surety bond, forfeitable in event of nonperformance as described above, of such magnitude that its loss would bankrupt the company and take a major chunk of of the hide of the government.
Posted by: David Foster at February 22, 2006 05:21 PM (5F0ML)
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Telling the UAE to take a hike isnÂ’t racism.
The UAE has not done much to vociferously support America in front of its citizens, nor does it forcefully condemn acts of terrorism perpetrated by its citizens. In fact, its government controlled Religious channel airs such shows that host:
Hamas spokesman, Sami Abu Zuhri, and Faraj Shalhoub, to discuss the recruitment and training of Palestinian suicide bombers (http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=117)
Hamas leader, Mahmoud Al-Zahhar, on Al-Arabiya TV (Dubai) and discussed the Jews and their history of destroying societies. (http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=40)
Or the all time favorite: Al-ArabiyaÂ’s TV Special on the Culture of Martyrdom and Suicide Bombers. (http://memritv.org/Transcript.asp?P1=807)
Just like the Muslim countries “take their business elsewhere” when the Danish publish a stupid cartoon, so should we “take our business elsewhere” when Muslim countries like the UAE do not do enough to discourage terrorism by its citizens.
Posted by: Yolanda at February 22, 2006 08:20 PM (dLzW2)
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Could they actually shut down the ports? I keep hearing about how we are abdicating our security to the UAE but that is not true. The Coast Guard will still be in charge of security.
And is having the British in charge really that much better. Remember Richard Reed, British and and Islamic terrorist. The British have not done that well protecting their bus and subway lines, why should we think they are better at this.
Also the liberals are total hypocrits on this. It is discrimnatory to single out and search people from the middle east getting on an airplane but it is ok to not let them run the ports?
And who would run the ports if not the UAE? There is NO american company that does this. Would it be ok with the liberals for Haliburtun to get a no bid contract for running the ports?
My first thought is that it is wrong for the UAE to run the ports.
My second thought is what do they actually control, since they run the ports on the other end and only about 5% of shipments are inspected couldn't they already ship in what they want?
Third thought is can't terrorist just off load an A-bomb at sea and bring it in on a speed boat if they wanted to.
Fourth thought, why are the liberals all of a sudden so intrested in terrorism and security when they have opposed it up to this point? Is there something else going on that the MSM has not reported yet?
I'm sorry but I reserve any opinon until further facts are presented. We are being asked to jump to a conclusion and decry Bush by liberals and some conservatives without a good explaination of the facts. I have the feeling this is much more about union contracts, lobbyists and money.
Posted by: Jack at February 22, 2006 08:30 PM (sIyTu)
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Jack,
Some concervatives?
Senate majority leader Frist (a RE-PU- BLI-CAN) is engineering the legislation to "postpone" this deal. House Speaker Dennis Hastert & Peter King, chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, (all RE-PU-BLI-CANS) have serious concerns over this deal.
Lieberman (A DE-MO-CRAT from CT) is in favor of it and supports Bush. Tom Dashcle has been hired to Loby in favor of the deal.
There's no party bondaries regarding this issue... yet.
What news are you watching?
Posted by: Yolanda at February 22, 2006 09:09 PM (dLzW2)
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Jack...a couple comments;
1)The Danish shipping company Maersk has a subsidiary that is a major port operator, and could be an alternative if we were looking for one.
2)It's true that only about 5% of inbound shipments are inspected; however, this doesn't mean people can ship in anything they want. I'm a little rusty on the process, but basically what happens is that the entity shipping the goods (or their agent) electronically sends documents describing the contents to the port operator and to Customs, describing the contents of the shipment. A decision can then be made as to who is trustworthy and who is not, and physical inspection resources allocated accordingly.
What concerns me is the possibility that a port operator (or a set of rogue employees) having *physical* access to the containers could bypass the documentation process and get something out the gate without Customs or other govenment entity being informed. THe degree to which this is a real risk is a function of the detailed flow of materials and information within the port; I wish someone who is knowledeable about current port operations would chime in on this.
See this very interesting article from a shipping trade publication, which was published before the deal was finalized.
http://www.floridashipper.com/news/article.asp?ltype=feature&sid=799
Posted by: David Foster at February 23, 2006 06:42 AM (5F0ML)
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Yolanda;
Anyone who believes the MSM is not paying attention.
Yes some Republicans are against this. But are they just giving a knee jerk reaction or have they investigated this too. Is all of the Rebulican party against this? Is all of the Democratic party agains this? Just because some of the leaders are does not make a majority.
Is this really about money and unions?
I am saying lets not make a racist judgement based on feelings. Lets make a logical judgement after waiting till all of the facts are in. And so far all we are getting is MSM propaganda. And how do I know it is propaganda, because the MSM votes to the liberal side of Berkley CA. I say yes we should look in to it, but lets not be like liberals and vote our feelings.
Posted by: Jack at February 23, 2006 10:47 AM (VuU/a)
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David;
A Danish company? Isn't that still a foriegn company? Aren't the Danes already folding to Islamic pressure because of cartoons? Don't the Danes already have a high Muslim population and high Muslim imigration? Can't terrorist infitrate the Danish company and do exactly what an UAE company could do?
And exactly where did you get the idea that a foriegn operator whould be working here? Wouldn't the local operators still be US citizens? Or did we import hundreds of workers from the UK? Would the US unions have approved that?
And do you actually think a foriegn country could shut down the ports in the US during a war? How fast would any president declare marshall law and take over the ports in the US.
And exactly which European company refused to ship JDAMS and was it a UAE controlled port?
And are you telling me that a piece of paper can't be falisfied, say a shipping manifast. How about a cargo container is shipped in which it says lawnmowers for Wal-mart from China. It is in port but BEFORE it is inspected it blows up (A-Bomb). Would we ever be able to say who shipped it or even which container blew up. A LOT of the containers that come into this country are already shipped through UAE ports and the cargo is stored in US ports before being inspected (maybe).
My answer still stands. Although I have reservations I will not allow myself to be swayed by emotionalizm based on racist fear FROM EITHER PARTY.
Give me more facts. Right now I am seeing the MSM reporting a knee jerk reaction from both parties and I don't know how real that is since I haven't seen much from the MSM gives me any confidence in what they report.
Posted by: Jack at February 23, 2006 11:07 AM (VuU/a)
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I share some of Jack's frustration that it's hard to get good information about how these processes work.
But David is not a racist merely for thinking the deal could entail risks.
Posted by: Attila Girl at February 23, 2006 11:37 AM (s96U4)
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Jack,
You keep on falling back on that tired catch phrase of "knee jerk racist reaction"
There is nothing racist about this!
We are a country at war... are we not?
UAE hasn't completely proven itself to be on OUR side of this war.
Six years ago when China Ocean Shipping wanted to move to a former Navy base in Southern California, Capitol Hill objected on the grounds of national security concerns. And this was BEFORE 9/11!
I think America's current situation calls for more "wariness" regarding control of its ports.
Because we are at war, we can wire tap American citizens with ties to the middle east, but we'll turn around and sell management of our ports to THE MIDDLE EAST!!!
My brain's gonna explode...
Posted by: Yolanda at February 23, 2006 12:01 PM (dLzW2)
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Excuse me if David or anyone else infered that I said he was a racist.
But I am reminded of WWII and all of the Japanese that were intered. Granted some of them were spys but we did not intere the Germans on the East coast. And that is how I see this. Everyone is jumping to a conclusion because of where the company is located and who runs it and because they don't look euopean and white, I'm not sure the UK should have run this either. Supposedly they (UAE) are friendly to the US which can't be very good for them and their relationship with their neighbors. And I don't think we should just dump on anyone who is friendly to us with out proof.
Now granted if it was a 'Palastine' company I would be rushing to judgement too. But I have yet to hear how having a UAE company is any different then having a UK company run it. If it is so important why doesn't the US government run it?
I just want everyone to take a step back, take a deep breath, and wait to see if this is not just another overblown hyped up situation like Cheney's accidental shooting. I have seen too many incidents of the MSM media throwing everything they can against the wall hoping to see something stick so they can attack Bush.
What exactly does running the ports entail? I haven't seen anything yet on what exactly they do when they run this port. They certainly don't tell the unions what to do, not even our own government does that.
And to Yolanda;
Do we wire tap people with middle east connections or do we wire tap anyone in the whole world (even if in America) if they call a cell phone owned by a terrorist? I have seen nothing released from the government that says exactly what criteria NSA uses, only supposition from the MSM. I am leary of accepting anything the MSM says about anything.
And to everyone else, I dont' support the sale and I don't oppose it either, I am saying lets get the hyperventialtion out of the way and look at the facts.
Now has anyone got facts?
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David;
Do you have any information on what is actually done by the current operators (UK) in their operation of the ports?
Does anyone here know what the companies actual job description is?
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David;
I followed your link. I also found it interesting that a Hong Kong co. was also in the bidding.
I keep wondering if Clinton was in office would the MSM media make as much noise if the Hong Kong co. won the bid. Even though Hong Kong is now part of Communist China.
I also wonder why there is no US company in the bidding. Doesn't the US have a company capable of running our ports? If they are such a vauluable resource and so important to our security why isn't this port operation limited to US only companies?
I still think there are too many questions, too many suppositions, and not enough facts.
One of the things I would like to know is why wasn't Bush informed of this before the fact if it is so critical.
Posted by: Jack at February 23, 2006 02:06 PM (Pkzay)
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Question for the group.
Who runs the rest of the ports?
Posted by: Jack at February 23, 2006 02:18 PM (Pkzay)
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Jack
Don't listen to MSM. I don't.
Jack,
To prove I'm not racist, I would have less of a problem with a private company from UAE wanting this port deal.
But in this case it is the UAE government! Not a private company.
Yes, Many US port terminals are owned by private foreign companies. But none are owned by a foreign government.
Posted by: Yolanda at February 23, 2006 02:25 PM (dLzW2)
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I am reading a bunch of information at Michelle Malkins web site (now that is back up after a DOS attack). So far this is the best post I have seen with actual information.
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"I am reading a bunch of information at Michelle Malkins web site (now that is back up after a DOS attack). So far this is the best post I have seen with actual information."
Just read it. I agree. Most infromative. Thanks!
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Group;
China runs the other ports, at least from this article;
http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200602231409.asp
I now think that a thorough investigation should be made on the operation of all US ports and not just the UAE's operation.
Posted by: Jack at February 23, 2006 02:50 PM (Pkzay)
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I just have a moment now, but certainly a foreign company could shut down a port (terminal) operation that it was managing. The equipment and the workers might still be there, but if local management was directed to shut the port down (or, more probably, to refuse to handle cargo destined for country "x") then those shipments would stop. For the US to restart them would be possible, but would take time, including (a)obtaining the legal right to do so (b)finding qualified managers (c)understanding the systems & procedures in place. It's also likely that there would be serious IT issues, since remote servers would probably be involved iin the process and those could be shut down.
Posted by: David Foster at February 23, 2006 03:03 PM (5F0ML)
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It could be that WRT any operation of this importance, it's important to have a "manual override"—a procedure for what to do if a decision is made to shut things down without what the DHS considers adequate reason. Otherwise, any organization (public, private, U.S., foreign) could theoretically be subject to a group of rogue operators creating this type of glitch at a critical time.
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"exactly which European company refused to ship JDAMS and was it a UAE controlled port?"...the House Armd Svcs Committee (see link below) said that a subsidiary of Swatch refused to ship JDAM components which were to be assembled by Honeywell and Boeing into tail kits. I doubt seriously that a UAE controlled port, or any seaport at all, was involved, as these are components that weigh ounces rather than tons and are well-suited to air freight.
Note also that delivery of grenades to British forces was apparently blocked by the Swiss government.
armedservices(dot)house(dot)gov/issues/03-07-25washtimes.htm
(had to do it this way because the content filter objected to a normal link)
Posted by: David Foster at February 23, 2006 04:25 PM (5F0ML)
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Theory FWIIW; (Subject to change with newer facts)
1. The MSM jumped on this to make Bush look bad.
2. The democrats jumped on this to make Bush look bad and to make themselves look good on defense in preperation of an election year.
3. The rebulicans jumped on this to catch up with the democrats on defense, to distance themselves from Bush (election year), and show that they are not Bush followers.
4. Neither MSM, democrats, or republicans know what running the ports entails but they are afraid to show their ignorance and they would much rather pratice partisan politics to gain an advantage as they know that the publics short memory will only remember todays headlines and not tomorrows facts.
5. The ports are an important asset, but letting any country other than the USA run them could be a risk without proper precautions. Even a USA company needs survailance and rules.
6. The UAE may or may not be a threat when operating our ports. Same caveat for China and the West coast ports (or any other country running them).
7. An independent panel should be formed to investigate this sale and whether it should go through. NO POLITICIANS should be on it.
8. The UAE should be allowed to montior the investigation and provide rebutal. They may be an innocent bidder being unjustly discriminated against.
9. The UAE has not shown outstanding support of the US but they are an Arab country surrounded by Arab countries. It is hard to be brave in that situation. But if they are to be involved in our ports and earn american money they must be more supportive of the US and must condem terrorism and help to capture and punish those in their country who don't or future contracts will not be offered and present ones will be recinded. (carrot or whip, either one to get them moving).
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Yolanda;
Sorry if you infered that I thought you were racist. It was not my intent.
Posted by: Jack at February 23, 2006 05:47 PM (r7Gp9)
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David;
Then would you agree that a Swiss 'company' should also not run our ports and being an Arab country should not have as much weight given to it as the MSM has?
If that is true then it is not just the UAE that should be thorougly checked but any company, even a US company.
Would anyone here feel safer if it was a US company that ran all of the US ports whose CEO was say,... George Soros? Cindy Sheehan? John Kerry? Al Gore?
Actually this whole thing has made me more suspecious of our politicians and more nervous of our security. I now feel that most of our politicians would rather play politics then really make the tough decisions.
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UAE hasn't completely proven itself to be on OUR side of this war.
uh, i'm not sure what you mean by this, but UAE is listed by CENTCOM as part of the coalition in Iraq. (also on a side note, most of the water our soldiers drink over there is bottled in dubai.)
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December 24, 2005
I Tend to Assume
. . . that my readers are simply a subset of Goldstein's, but for both of you who didn't follow me over from
Protein Wisdom, I want to point out that his coverage of the NSA/wiretapping non-scandal is simply nonpareil (that means I like it). He may have done more digging on this than anyone out there.
Just go to his main page, and scroll.
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Well ok then. If Pajamas Media makes Jeff G want to work this hard at digging up real facts, then maybe it's not so bad.
Posted by: Desert Cat at December 25, 2005 12:17 AM (xdX36)
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This is the second time he's been so far ahead of the pack: his work on FEMA in the aftermath of Katrina was first-rate. The reason he's so good is that he's willing to admit, at the outset, that he doesn't have the facts he needs, and ask his readers for help in filling the gaps. So while others are pontificating, he's collecting data.
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December 21, 2005
Privacy Is as Privacy Does.
Via
Malkin:
Democrat Rep. Jim McDermott of Seattle, who leaked the contents of an illegally recorded cell phone conversation between former House speaker Newt Gingrich and Rep. John A. Boehner, is complaining about the NSA's warrantless surveillance progam.
Her commentary is brief: "chutzpah." Yup. Here's the audio.
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December 20, 2005
Well, That's One Book
. . . I won't read unless I feel a burning desire—and can get it on inter-library loan. Like Michael Moore,
he won't see a dime of my money.
UPDATE: Against my better judgment, I've fixed the link.
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I won't either, because I don't know what it is
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at December 20, 2005 08:30 AM (nmwUl)
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The antiwar groups failed to drag down President Bush in 2004. They seem to forget that a guy in Minnesota was trying to take flight lessons without landing. No one could figure out why until after Sept. 11, but at the time, access to his home and to his computer had been blocked by those same laws the Dems are bickering about now. So let's remember these naysayers and how they blocked the FBI and police from finding information which could have saved our nation from horrific attacks and slaughter of US citizens.
Posted by: Crystal Dueker at December 20, 2005 09:10 AM (M7kiy)
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WHAT BOOK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT?? I DON'T SEE A LINK! IS IT JUST MY HANGOVER OR WHAT?
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at December 20, 2005 11:35 AM (nmwUl)
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Things have sure changed between then and now.
Then, our forefather’s signed the Declaration of Independence at great personal risk and sacrifice. They signed their names below this last line of the Declaration: “And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.”
Now, politicians put party and personal gain ahead of our country, forfeiting their sacred honor. Congress routinely votes for large pay increases for itself while refusing to address the important fiscal issues facing our country. Campaign financing, personal fortune, book deals, gaining power and personal destruction are the priorities of Washington. God knows they would never make any reference to “divine Providence.”
Then, we faced the adversity war as one nation, undivided. We didn’t forget Pearl Harbor. We supported our President and the troops. We maintained an optimism that we would prevail, no matter what it took, or how long it took. Roosevelt’s only “exit plan” for World War II was total victory over Germany and Japan.
Nobody expected our plans, strategies and timetables to be splashed in the newspapers to sooth the masses, or enlighten our enemies. Newspapers were bastions of integrity. Newspaper comics were….well, “comical.”
Every victory was celebrated. Everyone contributed. Everyone sacrificed, either at home, or at the front. Our soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen were sincerely appreciated, admired and welcomed home with ticker tape parades. We valued and mourned every person who gave that last full measure, but we accepted that price because we knew we had no choice.
Now, four years after September 11, 2001, many have forgotten. The leaders of the Democratic Party, such as Howard Dean and Senator Joe Biden, ascribe either diabolical, evil intentions or utter stupidity to our President. There is a tired expectation that our newspapers will have a liberal slant. The “comics” pages serve in part, as extensions of the editorial page, with cartoons that are mean-spirited, misleading and simplistic. Newspaper readership is in decline, along with the quality and fairness of the newspapers. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch editorial page will never say; “The President got this one right!” The same Democrats and newspaper editors who spoke of the eminent dangers presented by Saddam Hussein during Clinton’s terms, pretend their warnings never happened and scream to the entire world that “George Bush Lied!” about the presence of weapons of mass destruction. They demand a detailed timetable and “exit plan” which would serve only the interest of the disloyal opposition and our enemies. Every successful event, such as the peaceful election in Iraq is minimized with “Yeah, but…” from the Democrats. No success is big enough. No setback can be exploited enough.
We hear the constant drumbeat of mounting deaths, now over 2,000, comparing the war in Iraq to Vietnam and the 58,000 who lost their lives there. Senator Kerry continues his thirty-five year campaign of smearing our troops with the libelous charge that they are terrorizing women and children in their homes. The head of the DNC states that we will not win the war in Iraq.
Then, Hollywood was on our side. They served in uniform, made films and songs that boosted morale. They traveled the world, entertaining our troops.
Now, Bill Maher, George Carlin, Johnny Depp and others never pass on an opportunity to ridicule and castigate their President and their country. It is not that they do not have their causes. Many, such as Snoop Dogg and Bianca Jagger have donated their time and energy in support of Stanley “Tookie” Williams, the convicted murderer of four, who started the “Crips” gang.
Then, Germany was tricked into thinking that the allies were going to invade in the Pas-de-Calaise, when General George Patton was put in charge of the “1st US Army Group” which did not exist. This ruse contributed to our ultimate victory at Normandy. America and our allies knew that “Loose Lips Sink Ships.” Germany never knew that their “Enigma” code had been broken by the British. Our intelligence gathering helped win the war. The press even refrained from publishing photos of Roosevelt in his wheelchair. We knew that our intelligence efforts were vital to our success. The media knew that it had a responsibility to contribute to that success.
Now, media reports blast the Pentagon for promoting true stories that are favorable to America. At the same time, they ignore, excuse or deny their own published stories of false and forged documents, damaging to the President. The media and the Democratic leadership wring their hands, bemoaning the intelligence gathered by listening to phone conversations between potential terrorists in America and certain foreign countries. A smiling Minority Leader; Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) stood over George Bush as he signed the Patriot Act into law, on October 26, 2001. He attended a Democratic rally late last week where he proudly proclaimed; “We killed the Patriot Act!” At the same time, he and other Democrats complain that the administration isn’t doing enough to protect us.
Our media and the leaders of the Democratic Party give aid and comfort to the enemy. They play into the hands of our enemies, who learned much from Ho Chi Minh and General Giap. They know that they cannot defeat us militarily. They can only undermine our will. Dean, Kerry and other Democrats detract from the image of America in the world and confuse our allies and our enemies. They are heard on Aljazeera and other media in the Arab world. They detract from our war on terror efforts and our ability to make America safer. The philosophy and strategy of the leftist Democratic Party seems so disconnected from mainstream America that it almost seems to lack any intelligent design. Unless the Democrats move away from the far left noise of Biden, Kerry, Kennedy and others and move towards the center, with Joe Lieberman and Zell Miller, they will continue to harm America and lose elections. Unless newspapers change, they will continue to lose readers to the internet and cable news. Then again, maybe we would have “then” again.
To All of My Liberal, Democrat Friends, Merry Chri... Uh, Enjoy this time of year!
Terry M. Sater
807 Emerald Oaks Court
Eureka, Missouri, 63025
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okay, this post is phreaking me out
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at December 20, 2005 06:44 PM (nmwUl)
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I give! What are we talking about?
Posted by: Chuck at December 20, 2005 07:06 PM (R/J3m)
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beautifulatrocities and Chuck,
Follow the link:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash9nyt.htm
That's what it's all about.
Posted by: raz0r at December 20, 2005 07:21 PM (pXvxA)
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It was more fun when we didn't know: The possibilities were endless! I was going to post about irritable bowel syndrome...
Posted by: Darrell at December 20, 2005 09:11 PM (4IUEI)
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Was the link there & just not highlighted, or are u ledging us? For me, it won't take very much.
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I'm known far and wide for my sloppy html work and broken links.
Scatterbrained people shouldn't have blogs. It's a well-known fact.
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The Sky Is Falling! And Our Civil Liberties Along With It!
Matt of
Froggy Ruminations:
The idea that the US should put its fingers in its own ears and repeat, “I can’t hear you, I can’t hear you!” when terrorists communicate with their agents in the US is one of the most ridiculous and silly ideas that I have ever heard.
Via Goldstein, who quotes a few intel experts at length here. A must-read.
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Umm...we're not talking about not listening to terrorists. We're talking about having some reasonable checks and balances in place to make sure executive power is not abused.
At an event aimed at talking up the Patriot Act in April 2004, Bush addressed the question of wiretaps. "Now, by the way," he said, "any time you hear the United States government talking about wiretap, it requires -- a wiretap requires a court order. Nothing has changed, by the way. When we're talking about chasing down terrorists, we're talking about getting a court order before we do so. It's important for our fellow citizens to understand, when you think 'Patriot Act,' constitutional guarantees are in place when it comes to doing what is necessary to protect our homeland, because we value the Constitution."
That certainly seems to be different from what Bush is saying now -- that over the past three years, he has authorized and repeatedly reauthorized the "interception" of communications without warrants.
Due process, respect for the law i.e. congress the legislative body that represents the people-- these are real American values
Posted by: timmy at December 20, 2005 04:13 PM (VMBz6)
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Yeah, except that I suspect that when he said that he was talking about regular people, as opposed to terrorists.
I mean, if I hear that this is happening to political enemies of Bush's, it'll be a whole different kettle of fish. But my understanding is that it's limited to harvesting information that comes from active members of AQ and similar groups calling people here in the states.
And, yeah: I do think that groups that might be planning to fly planes into buildings, bomb embassies, explode subways, etc. call for more scrutiny than ordinary Americans.
And it sounds to me like oversight is occurring: that key legislators are being informed of what's going on.
For crying out loud--Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War. FDR interred people during WWII. The rules are different during wartime.
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December 19, 2005
October 27, 2004
Oh, Those Missing Explosives
Jeff at Protein Wisdom
sums up the situation:
If we are to believe the subtext of The New York Times / Kerry / CBS missing explosives story—which argues, however obliquely, that US troops under the command of the Bushies allowed high-grade explosives to be pilfered by terrorists from beneath their noses—we must accept at least two conditional assumptions upon which the Times / Kerry / CBS News axis pins its hopes—first, that an initial cursory search by the 2nd Brigade of the 101st Airborne Division overlooked (or, at the very least, missed the IAEA seals labeling) the explosives that were in fact still there at the facility; and second, that between this time (April 10) and the time “a special U.S. exploitation team looking for weapons of mass destruction searched all 32 bunkers and 87 buildings” and found nothing (May 27), hostiles were able to remove the explosives from the facility while many US forces remained in the general area (and where the roads were closed)—managing not only to avoid detection by US forces on the ground, but managing likewise to thwart surveillance by satellites and spy planes, loading the explosives on a large number of heavy trucks and disappearing unnoticed. Couple these two conditional assumptions with the Times / Kerry / CBS News’ cabal’s omission, in its recent reporting, of two reports from early April of 2003 suggesting the 3ID had already investigated the Al Qakaa facility, and we’re now left with yet another narrative nodal point where—if we are to believe the Times / Kerry / CBS version of events—we must assume US military command incompetence is ascendent.
...Or (and hereÂ’s the possibility the NYT / Kerry / CBS collective doesnÂ’t want to acknowledge) another explanation is, the explosives had already been either removed or destroyed before US troops arrived.
Granted, this second possibility isn’t so sexy—no stealth super terrorists to embarrass the dundering US military and its evil, arrogant Commander in Chimp by filching materials needed to detonate a nuclear weapon out from under our imperialist noses—but from the standpoint of plausibility (and, I almost hasten to add, terrestrial physics) ...well, I’ll let you decide which of the two scenarios is more likely.
Get over there for the links, updates, and other coverage of this issue—as well as pictures of John Edwards with bunnies and pages from Martha Stewart's prison diary. It's your basic one-stop shopping for info and entertainment.
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October 04, 2004
Do Not Mess With Mama
Via
Protein Wisdom, George Stephanopoulos and Condi Rice get into a spirited discussion about whether Iraq's aluminum tubes really were destined for nuclear weapons. Goldstein suggests that their debate reflects the philosophical divide between those who don't support the war and those of us who do: that we honestly believe the situation called for erring on the side of caution—with caution defined as "most likely to be in the best interests of the United States."
Commenter Sharkman then suggests that the correct response from Condi was this:
“Look, you diminutive semi-gay-hair-dresser-looking (not that there’s anything wrong with that) snot-nosed pundit! The only thing you and your kind ever have to do is talk, talk, talk, but in MY world, in which I am an extremely POWERFUL WOMAN, ACTION must be taken! And so ACTION IS TAKEN, sometimes on the basis of information that is not 100% perfect. Now shut your cute little mouth and bring mama another espressso. Can you do anything about this hair . . . ?”
Apparently, it's supposed to be read in an Aretha Franklin voice, the premise being (I believe) that in a more enlightened time Aretha would have had Dr. Rice's amazing education and experience and could have been NSA. Of course, foreign policy's gain would have been art's loss. So it goes.
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August 11, 2004
Flight 327
Can we stop arguing about this now? The situation on Annie Jacobsen's flight 327 was just
whacked. Not normal. She was not being paranoid; she's been a good citizen by speaking up.
All of you who wanted for Annie to be the problem are just going to have to deal.
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August 08, 2004
What Are We Fighting For?
I missed Lileks on Friday, but I'm
making up for it now. He discusses what it's like to be his age—my age—with Vietnam potent only in an iconic way:
It was a Symbol and a Warning – a reminder of American failings, not American failure. It was a template, too; every war was seen through the terms of Vietnam, which for us meant THE DRAFT, the ultimate mellow-harsher. Most of my reflexive anti-militarism of the early 80s came not from any deep-seated conviction about the ethics of force, but from a desire to stay in coffeehouses smoking cigarettes and reading books as long as I wanted to. It was selfish and cowardly, but I had a vast body of literature and philosophy to help me convince myself otherwise. As the 80s wore on Vietnam receded in my mind, replaced by fear of nuclear war. That prospect had been a specific terror since I was ten, and I knew it intimately. That one I felt in my gut. Vietnam was a hand-me-down.
Revisiting Vietnam in 2004 seems about as useful as debating the Phillippines war while the troop ships are sending Doughboys to the trenches in France. We have more pressing issues, I think. The news today noted that the men arrested at the Albany mosque were fingered by some documents found at Al-Ansar sites in Iraq, of all places. Iraq! Imagine that. I would sleep better if I could snort sure, itÂ’s a plant and tell myself that itÂ’s all made up, itÂ’s all a joke, a phony show designed to make us look the other way while a cackling cabal of Masons and Zionists figure out how much arsenic they can put in the water next year. (Arsenic: the fluoride of the left.) But no. I am one of those sad little pinheads who think itÂ’s really one war, one foe, with a thousand fronts. And I want us to win.
I do wonder sometimes how much easier life would be if I were like most of my friends, if I could convince myself we weren't locked in a mortal struggle with people who want us to die—not because of anything we did, but because of what we are. But it's not about what's convenient to believe. It's about what's true.
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And I think you aptly described the difference between voters this election - those that feel we're in a life or death struggle with Islamic extremists who want to kill us, and those that feel 9/11 was a one-off event that will probably never happen again.
Posted by: Michael at August 09, 2004 06:40 AM (ExF20)
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August 06, 2004
That Seven Minutes
McQ of QandO gives us the story on
what Kerry was doing during the time he now feels Bush should have sprung into action, donning his tights and cape, ready to fight evil.
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August 01, 2004
More Warnings
Via
James, the financial districts in Washington D.C.; Newark, New Jersey; and New York City are now on a
heightened state of alert, according to AP. Specifically:
* The Citicorp building and the New York Stock Exchange in New York City.
* The International Monetary Fund and the World Bank buildings in Washington.
* The Prudential building in Newark.
"The preferred means of attack would be car or truck bombs," Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said in a briefing with journalists. That would be a primary means of attack."
Scary stuff. Let's hope and pray this kind of warning makes the difference in a situation like this. Pray the plans are foiled, and pray that if the attacks do happen, that as few people die as possible, and as few are hurt as possible.
And I'll be praying that those responsible be brought to justice, but everyone's spirituality works differently on that point.
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July 30, 2004
Europe's Anti-Semitism, Anti-Americanism
Via
Photon Courier comes
this amazing article by Per Ahlmark, the former Deputy Prime Minister of Sweden. Money quote:
The images many Europeans hold of America and Israel create the political climate for some very ugly bias. You have the Great Satan and the Small Satan. America wants to dominate the world—exactly the allegations made in traditional anti-Semitic rhetoric about the Jews. Indeed, modern anti-Zionist rhetoric portrays Israel's goal as domination of the whole Middle East. Such ideas are reflected in opinions polls in which Europeans claim that Israel and the US are the true dangers to world peace.
Ian Buruma, the British writer, claims that this European rage against America and Israel has to do with guilt and fear. The two world wars led to such catastrophic carnage that "never again" was interpreted as "welfare at home, non-intervention abroad." The problem with this concept is that it could only survive under the protection of American might.
Extreme anti-Americanism and anti-Zionism are actually merging. The so-called peace poster "Hitler Had Two Sons: Bush and Sharon," displayed in European anti-war rallies, combines trivialization of Nazism with demonization of both the victims of Nazism and those who defeated Nazism.
Much of this grows from a subconscious European guilt related to the Holocaust. Now the Holocaust's victims—and their children and grandchildren—are supposedly doing to others what was done to them. By equating the murderer and the victim, we wash our hands.
This pattern of anti-Zionism and anti-Americanism returns again and again. "The ugly Israeli" and "the ugly American" seem to be of the same family. "The ugly Jew" becomes the instrumental part of this defamation when so-called neoconservatives are blamed both for American militarism and Israeli brutalities and then selectively named: Wolfowitz, Perle, Abrams, Kristol, etc. This is a new version of the old myth that Jews rule the US.
Earlier this year, the editor of Die Zeit, Josef Joffe, put his finger on the issue: like Jews, Americans are said to be selfish and arrogant. Like Jews, they are in thrall to a fundamentalist religion that renders them self-righteous and dangerous. Like Jews, Americans are money-grabbing capitalists, for whom the highest value is the cash nexus. "America and Israel are the outsiders—just as Jews have been all the way into the 21st century," Joffe says.
The links between anti-Semitism, anti-Zionism, and anti-Americanism are all too real. Unless Europe's leaders roundly condemn this unholy triple alliance, it will poison Middle East politics and transatlantic relations alike.
That was amazing. I was beginning to wonder if any Europeans really got it—at least, outside the UK.
RTWT.
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Perhaps Europe now sees itself on the verge of demographic Islamification and is furious with Israel for refusing to follow its path to destruction.
Once the figures rise to a level beyond 20%, there will be a call to jihad and we will see the attacks in sudan, indonesia, bosnia, thailand, nigeria et al repeated in the capitals of europe.
Already aliyah is spreading in france, other coubtries will follow.
Posted by: chevalier at July 31, 2004 10:39 PM (0ierl)
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Muslims don't scare me. Fundamentalists and jihadis do. Much as the wimpiness of mainstream muslims in denouncing the extremist brands has disturbed me, I still think it's of paramount importance to draw the distinction.
Posted by: Attila Girl at August 02, 2004 10:45 AM (SuJa4)
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July 21, 2004
On "Trousergate"
There are all kinds of sub-issues related to the Sandy Berger story. I still don't have clarity on the down-his-pants (or in-his-socks) vs. in-his-pockets issue, and I'm not sure I care about that: he concealed this material in his clothing, and that's that. He claims that only the handwritten notes were in his jacket and pants (and possibly socks), but we'll see. I'm a good deal more concerned with the two events he claims were accidents: removing top-secret documents, and destroying top-secret documents.
This guy was National Security Advisor. One would think that he can handle the basics of the job—like preserving the integrity of classified documents, and knowing what he's putting into his leather portfolio.
Clearly, he's either incompetent, or covering up for Clinton.
But even if this is all the result of carelessness, it's an egregious lapse. Clinton should be embarrassed that this guy, who cannot handle the basic requirements of his job, was his National Security Advisor. Instead, he's laughing it off, which may say something about how seriously he takes the security issues facing this country to this day.
My newspaper-reading friends tell me you still have to dig to find mentions of this story in either the LA Times or the NY Times, which is outrageous.
Stephen Green had a good opening volley on the story, and is covering it well; be sure to scroll around on his main page after reading this entry.
The Irish Lass has a nice roundup; once more, you might take the time to do some scrolling, since she's all over this.
Prof. Reynolds remarks:
[T]he decision to charge someone, even someone admittedly guilty, is always a matter of discretion, and criminal charges against a former National Security Adviser are a rather big deal. It's easy to understand why the Justice Department might be reluctant to bring such charges even if it's satisfied that all the elements of the crime are present.
To which Dr. Joyner replies:
Quite true. I'd like to get a better explanation of exactly what Berger was trying to accomplish and let this one percolate a bit more before deciding what punishment, if any, is appropriate. Berger gave many years in the public service and, so far as I'm aware, this is the first time he's even been accused of anything remotely sinister. Even aside from the baffling issue of why, I would be interested in knowing--if it's knowable--what harm Berger's theft caused.
There has to be a consequence for this type of behavior, though. If a former National Security Advisor-- invested with so must trust that it never even occurs to anyone that he needs to be monitored while in a room with highly classified material--can plead "oops" on something so blatant, I don't know how we can ever hold a soldier accountable again.
As usual, you'll also want to go to James for the best links to hard news sources on this issue.
Byron York, writing in National Review Online, has two major points. To begin with, he feels there's no way this was accidental:
It appears that some of the evidence in the case casts doubt on Berger's explanation. First, Berger has reportedly conceded that he knowingly hid his handwritten notes in his jacket and pants in order to sneak them out of the Archives . . . Berger's admission that he hid the notes in his clothing is a clear sign of intent to conceal his actions.
Second, although Berger said he reviewed thousands of pages, he apparently homed in on a single document: the so-called "after-action report" on the Clinton administration's handling of the millennium plot of 1999/2000. Berger is said to have taken multiple copies of the same paper. He is also said to have taken those copies on at least two different days. There have been no reports that he took any other documents, which suggests that his choice of papers was quite specific, and not the result of simple carelessness.
Third, it appears that Berger's "inadvertent" actions clearly aroused the suspicion of the professional staff at the Archives. Staff members there are said to have seen Berger concealing the papers; they became so concerned that they set up what was in effect a small sting operation to catch him. And sure enough, Berger took some more. Those witnesses went to their superiors, who ultimately went to the Justice Department . . . . The documents Berger took — each copy of the millennium report is said to be in the range of 15 to 30 pages — were highly secret. They were classified at what is known as the "code word" level, which is the government's highest tier of secrecy. Any person who is authorized to remove such documents from a special secure room is required to do so in a locked case that is handcuffed to his or her wrist.
York finds Berger's focused pilferage highly interesting, since it appears that the Clinton administration's handling of the millennium plot has been the subject of a lot of debate and considerable criticism:
The report was the result of a review done by Richard Clarke, then the White House counterterrorism chief, of efforts by the Clinton administration to stop terrorist plots at the turn of the year 2000. At several points in the September 11 commission hearings, Democrats pointed to the millennium case as an example of how a proper counterterrorism program should be run. But sources say the report suggests just the opposite. Clarke apparently concluded that the millennium plot was foiled by luck — a border agent in Washington State who happened to notice a nervous, sweating man who turned out to have explosives in his car — and not by the Clinton administration's savvy anti-terrorism work. The report also contains a number of recommendations to lessen the nation's vulnerability to terrorism, but few were actually implemented.
The after-action review became the topic of public discussion in April when Attorney General John Ashcroft mentioned it in his public testimony before the September 11 commission. "This millennium after-action review declares that the United States barely missed major terrorist attacks in 1999 and cites luck as playing a major role," Ashcroft testified. "It is clear from the review that actions taken in the millennium period should not be the operating model for the U.S. government."
In May, a government official told National Review Online that the report contains a "scathing indictment of the last administration's actions." The source said the report portrayed the Clinton administration's actions as "exactly how things shouldn't be run." In addition, Clarke was highly critical of the handling of the millennium plot in his book, Against All Enemies.
It is not clear how many copies of the report exist. Nor is it clear why Berger was so focused on the document. If he simply wanted a copy, it seems that taking just one would have been sufficient. But it also seems that Berger should have known that he could not round up all the known copies of the document, since there were apparently other copies in other secure places. Whatever the case, the report was ultimately given to the September 11 Commission.
What a clumsy, stupid thing to do. If the intention was what York is implying—to cover up the Clinton Administration's incompetence and lassitude regarding national security—Berger should have the book thrown at him. He is, essentially, Clinton's Rosemary Woods.
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"Berger gave many years in the public service"..for which he was paid, both in monetary and in psychic terms. Why is working as a government official "public service" any more than, say, growing food as a farmer, or transporting it as a railroad employee? It's time to start challenging these pieties.
Posted by: David Foster at July 21, 2004 08:08 AM (XUtCY)
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I'd say:
1) Very often, the people who hold high-level public jobs do so at great personal cost, since they generally could command 2-5 times the salary in the private sector;
2) If you want to challenge James's statement, you might start by questioning Berger's efficacy when he was working under Clinton, since there were several key ways that administration dropped the ball on terrorism and helped set up the conditions that fostered 9/11.
Posted by: Attila Girl at July 21, 2004 08:59 AM (SuJa4)
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BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT!
If you or I or anyone else had done this, we'd be led away in cuffs and looking at $50k in fines and 10 years in prison for each offense.
If a former NSA isn't held accountable for his actions, how the hell can we expect anyone in the military or government to take security protocols seriously?
Posted by: Timmer at July 21, 2004 10:59 AM (EK9uF)
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Well, we don't know what is going to happen to him. If I had to put money on it, I'd say he will have to do time, because this story isn't going to go away.
Let's remember that the investigation is ongoing.
Posted by: Attila Girl at July 21, 2004 11:37 AM (SuJa4)
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Maybe they *could* get 2-5 times the salary in the private sector, but:
a)Some people are more motivated by power/influence than by money...is there anything particularly praiseworth about this?
b)In many cases, the "public servant" gets the money anyhow, after he retires, since he is now in demand for a variety of lobbying-related jobs.
My point is simply that devoting one's life to the pursuit of political power and influence does not necessarily make on a Mother Teresa.
Posted by: David Foster at July 21, 2004 11:38 AM (XUtCY)
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I'll certainly grant that.
Posted by: Attila Girl at July 21, 2004 11:57 AM (SuJa4)
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It is not clear how many copies of the report exist. Nor is it clear why Berger was so focused on the document. If he simply wanted a copy, it seems that taking just one would have been sufficient. But it also seems that Berger should have known that he could not round up all the known copies of the document, since there were apparently other copies in other secure places. Whatever the case, the report was ultimately given to the September 11 Commission.
The answer to York's puzzlement is that there apparently were multiple drafts of Clarke's critique. It's not uncommon for these things to get blanded down a bit in staff exchanges before the "official" version is transmitted -- but those drafts usually are kept for matters this important.
Berger was trying to get hold of
all the drafts, including the early ones that reportedly are scathing about events under Berger's term as NSA.
Posted by: too true at July 21, 2004 03:28 PM (OR9fJ)
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Side note: The Washington Post is doing a great job covering the story. The New York Times is
blaming the whole thing on George Bush. Really. They're spinning it so hard they're likely to hurt themselves.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at July 22, 2004 06:58 AM (+S1Ft)
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Aw, I'll bet they talk a lot about the "timing" issue. My feeling is that if the Democrats
really want to control when these sorts of things are revealed, they could simply exercise some control over when and how they steal top-secret documents. That would surely help.
Posted by: Attila Girl at July 22, 2004 11:40 AM (SuJa4)
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