March 09, 2006
DPW Caves.
This bothers me, because it just isn't right. But no one consulted me, and the consensus out there seems to be that it's okay to have a British company running our ports—as long as there aren't any sand niggers involved. Sigh. What a defeat for liberal ideals.
Now. Is there an American company out there that can even do this? Anyone? Bueller?
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Yes, there is one American company with the background and resources to handle this job. It's called Halliburton. I suspect Hilary, Schumer, et al have been silent on this point because if Bush had handed the contract to Halliburton they could have beaten him up for that too.
Another candidate would have been Maersk, which is Danish-owned.
Posted by: utron at March 09, 2006 02:29 PM (CgIkY)
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 09, 2006 02:33 PM (s96U4)
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Assuming the deal is structured such that the current P&O port management staff is retained, and their systems are also made available as part of the deal: anyone could run it as long as they had sufficient general knowledge of the transportation industry to avoid doing too many dumb things. Those actually *interested* in running it would likely be those who have businesses which would have some synergy (as much as I hate the word) with the activity.
FedEx and UPS might be candidates: both are moving beyond package shipping toward being broader logistics providers. A major railroad might be interested: lots of intermodal shipments begin and end at ports, as do commodity shipments such as coal. Or a private equity firm could put together a new company with some seasoned shipping executives to run it.
Posted by: David Foster at March 09, 2006 04:28 PM (oYL9v)
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Ha! Halliburton!
Oh, the irony.
There's PSA International, but they're from Singapore. I don't know of any American companies that do this, but frankly, I'm embarrassed to be an American today.
NYT: A Ship Already Sailed
Posted by: Matthew T. Armstrong at March 09, 2006 08:59 PM (j8tss)
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SSA Marine out of Seattle...maybe with a partner. Maybe this is a good time to clean house at all the US ports and change some union-mandated practices like re-entering shipping orders received electronically, to give a job to a few more union members. And 24-hour operations at every port.
Speaking of Washington State leads me to think about Oregon. And Oregon gets me thinking about Cascade Mountain Gin...Ever try it? They say they are one of the only distillers actually using real juniper berries. I think you should be the official tester for this one. It should sell for around $18.95 or so, if you can find it. I'll organize a fundraiser to recoup your costs once you give us your opinion.
Posted by: Darrell at March 09, 2006 09:02 PM (jcUK2)
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Wow; what a burden. That's tough.
You know what, though? I'll do it.
I'm actually beginning to think that different gins serve different purposes: the dry ones are great for martinis (which I rarely drink any more--even my micro-mini ones that I make here at home) vs. gin and tonics.
I decided to give Beefeater a try, and it's suprisingly good--dry in the Bombay Sapphire style, rather than the mellower mold of Tanqueray/Tanq 10.
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 09, 2006 11:34 PM (s96U4)
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The Dubai ports deal was lost in the establishment reaction to the threat to the Danish cartoonist and newspaper, the declining to publish the cartoons, the murder of a Catholic priest in Turkey. Let me argue by analogy. Several years ago some prisoners were taken, literally, on a field trip, out of prison, a little fresh air, countryside. Six used the occasion to find a wrinkle in security and sneak out in a van. They came to Dallas, stole guns in a daylight robbery at a store, and seeing a policeman drive up, a seemingly quiet, passive guy, earlier a security guard at my hospital, shot him several times in the head and neck, kaput. The guys are on the loose. Looking out of my building one day, you could see 3 police cars in tandem scooting down the highway. To me the police had lost control, the 'bad guys' were in charge a little bit. You wouldn't be surprised that at that time the County Commissioners didn't discover a plan to save taxpayer's money and rehabilitate prisoners by saying they were going to let selected prisoners hire out for the day to work at private homes. Yet, the establishment said 'the Muslims are in control here, you can't expect us to speak freely as we usually do, these are they, keep your head down.' And then, shortly thereafter, 'You know what; we've got a business deal, with Muslims, to run a port process on US soil.' If we had just had the requirement that all business deals over 1 milion US had to be closed with gin, this might not have come up. good thread. Thanks for the Beefeaters suggestion.
Posted by: michael at March 10, 2006 06:45 AM (Rnf/b)
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Heavy is her head, she who wears the Crown...
Distillers, and all businesses for that matter, should be filling your mailbox with products for you to try everyday, if they knew what was good for them. Sales would go through the ROOF, assuming the product was tasty or otherwise excellent, of course. The IT world is abuzz right now with tales of pulling out every sort of pharmaceutical imaginable from every opening imaginable in computers all over the world! Forget Faith Popcorn! LMA starts the trends! And I bet a really good distiller would dispatch a bartender to prepare those G&Ts...and tie lemon and lime zest strips into little bows, too. We first "taste" with our eyes, you know!
Posted by: Darrell at March 10, 2006 11:59 AM (ZWAJY)
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March 08, 2006
"Keep America's Ports in American Hands."
Are there any legislators out there with anything between their ears?
Morons, indeed.
Lewis' signature line reminds me of Archie Bunker's complaint that it was hard to get "American food, like hamburgers and spaghetti."
Memo to the GOP: you're slow-dancing with Chuck Schumer. Isn't there some kind of clue in there that emotion has trumped analysis?
UPDATE: Sean points out this article, in which former CIA officer Larry Johnson expresses concerns about how existing DPW ports are being run:
"When you look at three of the top world ports for smuggling, counterfeit and contraband activity, those are, by my count, Hong Kong, Dubai and Panama. Dubai Ports World controls two of the three" Johnson said, referring to Dubai and Hong Kong.
Of course, my understanding is that the same command strucuture will remain in place at P&O: the only difference is that dark-skinned people who well might be Muslims will be sitting in a boardroom, half a world away, providing oversight to P&O.
And if there are two "wild West-style" ports being run at present by DPW, how many others are they running with very little contraband going through? (As I recall, there are 21 others.)
Kenton E. Kelly—aka Dennis the Peasant—wrote a scathing commentary in Reason Online about how the hysteria over the DPW port deal does not make us look very good among pro-Western factions in the Middle East. Not at all. We are pissing off people whose help we need badly.
The rough draft for that article ran as a blog post that later got pulled off his site (which is fair enough; after all, he'd sold the piece to Reason Online). But the original gets quoted a fair amount by The Lounsbury—another curmudgeon in Dennis' mold—right here, with some brilliant commentary and amplification.
(In general, the best information about the DPW Ports deal is being covered very well both at Dennis the Peasant and at Lounsbury's place.
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Instead of griping and whiniing about the buyers of the ports, why don't you complain about the sellers? This wouldn't be an issue if not for the simple fact that damn near everything in America is for sale. And the buyers of today may be our allies of today but tomorrow is another day.
Remember: Iraq, with Hussein at the helm, was once an ally.
(and so what if the buyers are Muslim, or Jewish, or Bahai, or Atheist - so what? There's good and bad people of all faiths and beliefs. Double or halve your meds, dear, but do something.)
Posted by: littlemrmahatma at March 09, 2006 09:01 AM (zKH+d)
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I want to know why B. Clinton isn't being investigate for illegaly brokering this deal. I also want to know when Hillary learned about it. How come the MSM is ignoring these crimes?
Posted by: Jack at March 09, 2006 10:09 AM (YSsdZ)
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Well, thanks for the link, which led me here.
As to the question by "Jack"
This is very simple (should you wish to acquire a modicum of information easily attainable in the public domain, say by reading reputable papers like
The Financial Times)):
Mr. Clinton did fuck all to "broker" the P&O - DPW deal. The P&O - DPW deal is a UK-UAE deal that was and is about P&O's global assets, not some some poorly managed behind the times American leases. The US, not being the center of the world nor even the center of port industry growth, was incidental.
The public record has Clinton advising DPW-P&O on < b>post-facto deal management.
The media in general appear to have ill-informed types such as yourself all in a lather over quite literaly utterly unfactual things. That and the risibly ill-informed "blogosphere."
Perhaps a carve out to satisfy American-know nothing nativist will in the end serve all well enough. In the meantime in the UK, the High Court blazingly slammed down the ignoramus law suits brought by some Americas (notably Eller & Co, already in some typically ludicrous legal dispute with P&O).
Posted by: The Lounsbury at March 09, 2006 10:55 AM (kDiQv)
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Actually, Mahatma, I wasn't "griping and whining" about the buyers of the ports—nor their (British) sellers. I was griping and whining about the anti-Arab hysteria that would have our ports run badly by Americans, rather than well by some dirty, dirty Arabs.
Right: Iraq was once an ally. So was the U.S.S.R., under Uncle Joey Stalin. And the Brits once burned down the White House. So what? The suggestion that we just retreat into some sort of shell and not deal with the outside world is silly: the outside world will most certainly come to us.
and so what if the buyers are Muslim, or Jewish, or Bahai, or Atheist - so what? There's good and bad people of all faiths and beliefs. Double or halve your meds, dear, but do something.)
I think it's interesting that you have my position here exactly 180 degrees away from what it actually is. Guess my irony was lost on you . . . disappointing. Very disappointing.
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 09, 2006 12:46 PM (s96U4)
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There you go, playing the race card again.
Ok, lets give control of our ports to another company owned by a repressive regime; one with a political infrastructure devoid of democratic tendencies and an automatic jail sentence for any criticism of its government, just like in the UAEÂ… A regime that doesnÂ’t condone Christianity either, but at least you donÂ’t go to jail for putting up Christmas decorations, like in the UAEÂ… A country that although technologically behind the times still treats its women a heck of allot better than the UAE doesÂ… A country never suspected of funneling money thru its banks to 9/11 terroristsÂ… A country much closer to home with many nationals who are active members in the Republican Party.
Lets give this country 5 years to buddy up to The US, as UAE did after 9-11 and by some miracle become obscenely rich, like the UAE.
Lets give Cuba a chance!
And if for ANY reason, you say NO! I get to call you a racist against Hispanics.
And if the concern was to not look bad among pro-Western factions in the Middle East Â…
Maybe invading Iraq wasn’t such a good idea…uh? , ‘cause that certainly pissed them off! (All except for Kuwait, which was the ONLY member of the Arab league not against invading Iraq)
Posted by: Yolanda at March 10, 2006 08:08 AM (OosKM)
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So, Yolanda, I assume you've been up in arms about the Chinese involvement in the American shipping business. Right?
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 10, 2006 11:15 PM (s96U4)
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Lounsbury;
My comment was meant as sarcasim in that if anyone related to Bush had a part in this deal there would be demands for a special prosecuter. Whereas the MSM has tried to minimize Clintons involement.
Especially since Clinton has received money for his library from the UAE and received large sums for speeches made in Dubai.
Also was Clinton a registered lobyist for a foreign country.
I believe that you have gotten the wrong opinion of me and need to read my other earlier posts on this subject.
Posted by: Jack at March 11, 2006 11:26 AM (anUeX)
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Loonsbury
My comment was sarcasim towards the MSM who would have demanded an independent investigator if it would have been Bush.
Clinton was still a lobbyist (unregistered) for the UAE.
Posted by: Jack at March 11, 2006 06:53 PM (RsRog)
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March 01, 2006
Malkin, on the Port Deal
Just as some people throw out the word "racist" too easily, others throw out the "how dare you call me a racist?" rejoinder as if it were a rhetorical molecule. Next thing you know, we're
talking past each other again.
The UAE is our "friend," we are told, and to question that assertion, we are scolded, is to engage in reckless prejudice and life-threatening insult. Yes, well, some friends are more equal than others. To instinctively trust a longtime, stalwart Western democracy more than an Arab newcomer with a mixed record on combating terror, international crime, and Islamic extremism is not "Islamophobia." It's self-preservationist in a time of war.
We are at war, aren't we?
Yes. We are at war. That's why it's important for us to bank on our brains, and employ honest risk assessments, rather than using our "instincts."
The underlying argument—the one people aren't talking about much—has to do with how to spread classical liberalism, economic opportunity, and—yes, dammit—the best Western of values.
Is it better to partially engage, as we do with China, and co-opt potential opponents—and yet end up with dirty hands? Or do we apply the hardline stance we use in Cuba? Obviously, each situation is different: China is not Cuba, and neither is perfectly analogous to any Middle Eastern state.
But philosophically I lean toward engagement, as opposed to something that appears to flirt dangerously with "fuck you, you dirty Arab; come back when your entire society is perfect, and your track record squeaky clean (which, of course, ours in the U.S. is not)."
Most people who are intimately familiar with the UAE are supportive of this deal, and feel that the progress there is tremendous. But even if the UAE were as shady as Malkin asserts, isn't there an old saying about keeping one's friends close and one's enemies closer?
Color me yet-to-be-convinced that this is an awful idea. Though I'm still listening.
(Via Hackbarth, who likewise is still saying, "show me the security risks.")
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You'll forgive me if I'm less-than-enthusiastic about a country whose royal family has been known to go hunting with Uncle Usama...
That said, I don't see DPWorld as more of a threat to US interests than the other foreign companies that run a significant chunck of our port facilities. And Dubai is probably one of the most...western leaning...of the Arab nations. And DPW (as well as P&O) has been very upfront and open about their desired transaction with the US regulators as well as those in national security.
Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at March 01, 2006 04:20 PM (1hM1d)
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On the Drudge report is a link;
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/60414c4c-a95e-11da-a64b-0000779e2340.html
It says Bill Clinton helped broker the deal.
I still say that although I am not happy about the news I am hearing I still think most of it is all politics. China still has an interest in the ports on the West coast and nobody seems to care.
As to Al-Qadia slipping an agent in through the UAE they could just as easily do the same thru Briton or the USA. After all how many imigrants from arab countries are on the East coast working in the ports now?
I think everbody is jumping to preconcieved conclusions to support their own party.
Prediction: 2 Months from now the whole thing will be settled, the democrats will make a big showing how they can protect this country by having a committee, the repbulicans will make a big show of distancing themselves from Bush bashing the deal, the deal will pass after the UAE makes concesions above and beyond what any other port operator does.
Posted by: Jack at March 01, 2006 05:37 PM (pcSPw)
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IÂ’m still not convinced.
If this deal goes thru, no imports or exports would be allowed to or from Israel, because according to the Jerusalem Post:
” Dubai Ports World,~ is entirely owned by the Government of Dubai via a holding company called the Ports, Customs and Free Zone Corporation (PCZC), which consists of the Dubai Port Authority, the Dubai Customs Department and the Jebel Ali Free Zone Area. ~ Muhammad Rashid a-Din, a staff member of the Dubai Customs Department's Office states that "Yes, of course the boycott (of Israeli products) is still in place and is still enforced" Furthermore, Dubai's Jebel Ali Free Zone Area, which is also part of the PCZC, advises importers that they will need
"to comply with the terms of the boycott.” So if this deal passes we will be boycotting, Israel, an ally.
Question. I donÂ’t know much about Sovereign territory. But I do know that foreign governments that own soil within US borders are usually as embassies or consulates. Does any other foreign government own territory on US soil that isnÂ’t an embassy or a consulate? The US government has no right to the information held by foreign embassies or consulates. Would the same apply to ports in American territory owned by foreign governments? IÂ’m not trying to be fictitious. This is a genuine question.
If Dubai Ports World were a private company, that can move It’s headquarters from one country to another if need be, holds no allegiances except to its bottom line, and doesn’t need to pander to their “subjects” I would be allot more comfortable with this deal.
Posted by: Yolanda at March 01, 2006 09:02 PM (dLzW2)
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Don't worry Yolanda, George Dubai Bush will take care of everything. Just trust him, like you always have. Look people in the press only paint the negative stuff, like this war in Iraq. They don't talk about the billions of dollars that we are spending making schools, hospitals, parks for kids, and sewer and water for villages that never had water or sewer. They don't talk about all the oil that is still flowing, and how many previous Iraqi soldiers have switched sides and joined US.
The press only wants to talk about kidnappings and murder and suicide bombings. they are just isolated incidents of some disgruntled Bathists and Insurgents. The real news is that there have been three elections and the country is on its way to freedom and democracy. Soon Iraq will be the first muslim country to recognize Isreal, then Afghanistan, and If UAE want this port deal, then that is what they will have to do. These are all good things thanks to the war on terror. And the terrorists are on the run. So you see Yolanda, your Jewish interests are safe with the president. Just Trust HIM.
Posted by: Azmat Hussain at March 01, 2006 11:45 PM (PHUbk)
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Azmat,
Do you want to explain how you meant this?--
So you see Yolanda, your Jewish interests are safe with the president.
Thanks.
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 02, 2006 08:03 AM (s96U4)
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Yolanda
The ports will NOT be owned by UAE. As I understand it they will be responsible for the containers and unloading and loading. They will have NO ownership of the ports.
I have also read (but would have to do a search) that they are already working with Isreal on ports. Whether they are shipping to Israel or working in their ports I am not sure. I can check and get back with the group if someone doesn't find it first.
I am also sure that their will be no blocking of shipments to Israel unless it is from the left wing 'kick the Israeli out of Palastiene' groups.
Posted by: Jack at March 02, 2006 11:04 AM (YneVa)
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She seemed to be concerned about products that are made in Israel. What I am suggesting is that there is nothing to worry about. The Israeli products will not be stoped here in the US at those ports that may be run by UAE. Also the concern is that UAE does not recognize Israel and therefore is unworthy for our business. I am suggesting that the Bush Administration will put pressure on UAE to do just that.
Posted by: Azmat Hussain at March 02, 2006 05:51 PM (wosqx)
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Okey-doke. I'm afraid the phrase "your Jewish interests" hit me a bit sideways. I'm hoping that wasn't a subtle way of putting down those of us who support Israel and feel that it should continue to survive--or those who get upset at some of the antisemitism in places like Europe (and, well, the Middle East).
Posted by: Attila Girl at March 02, 2006 07:25 PM (s96U4)
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The wonderful thing about email and blog posting is that without facial expressions and vocal inflections it is rife for misinterpitations.
I have had many emails bite me in the ass because of wording as well as taking umbrage of others (although I may have been right, they were out to get me 8^)).
ps
Sarcasim almost always fails in emails too.
Posted by: Jack at March 02, 2006 08:24 PM (bRtJd)
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