October 15, 2004
Protein Wisdom Weighs In
Jeff Goldstein
puts forth "Nine more Andrew Sullivan rationalizations for the Democrats' use of Mary Cheney as a gay Presidential debate prop."
Including:
3. "The American people have the right to know that, should George Bush die and Dick Cheney assume the presidency, the White House would be overrun with biker chicks and short-haired women in flannel shirts."
Be good to yourself; read the whole thing.
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More on the Drafting of Mary Cheney
Slings and Arrows makes an interesting point on a post entitled "On Lesbians and Diplomacy": Kerry has campaigned on the idea that he will be some kind of Ambassador/President.
Kerry says he was trying to be positive. He says he was trying to point out what strong families do. What he did instead was anger a huge number of people. What we saw in Kerry's comments about Mary Cheney was the extent his diplomatic skill in miniature. And his diplomacy was a miserable failure.
Yup. Kerry appears to me like one of those people who simply cannot see themselves through others' eyes: he appers to genuinely believe he possesses some kind of diplomatic balm that will heal the wounds of the world.
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Yup...Kerry sure is good at that diplomatic balm. Why just recently, he's managed to insult to Poles, the Iraqis, and the Italians.
Posted by: David Foster at October 15, 2004 02:40 PM (XUtCY)
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"[Kerry] appers (sic) to genuinely believe he possesses some kind of diplomatic balm that will heal the wounds of the world." With most of the wounds caused by Dubya...
I hope Bush's meds have worn off by now. He was a bit manic in Debate 3 - rather unbecoming for a President.
Oh right, lowered expectations because Bush can't speak well and it's *so hard* to be President.
Happy Friday!
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Open season on typos in your own blog, huh? My pleasure . . . uh, plesure.
And, remember: I don't set myself up as a "savant super-speller." (Oh, wait—that wasn't your own term, was it?)
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 15, 2004 06:14 PM (SuJa4)
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I believe that most everyone is missing the point of the Kedwards Kampaign putting Ms. Cheney front and center. Of all of the important Donk constituency groups there are three that are quite opposed to the agenda of the mainstream gay groups, African Americans, Catholics and (somewhat overlapping with the Catholics) Hispanics. We are all aware of the Kedwards problem with Catholics. What isn't being reported much is something deep in the internals of the polls. Dubya is polling to take about ten percent more of the African American vote than he did in '00.
The trend is about the same with Hispanics.
I tend to believe these polls because in Dubya's reelection run for Gov of Texas he gained even higher percentages of these groups than he did in his first campaign.
There are several reasons for this, the Donks make the same promises, election after election, four years of Dubya and Minority home ownership rate is at an all time high. The number of minority owned businesses is at an all time high.
The Donks win and their administrations appoint bagmen like Ron Brown and buffoons like Jocelyn Elders to the Cabinet. Dubya wins and it's serious people, Colin Powell, Rod Paige and Condi Rice.
Republicans are trying to get a school voucher program going, the Donks are standing in the schoolhouse door just like George Wallace back in the day.
You make a mistake when you think that Kedwards is trying to drive a wedge between Republicans and the Bush Administration. They are desperately trying to drive that wedge between the Bush Administration and that increased percentage of Blacks, Hispanics and Catholics that are poised to punch their ballots for Dubya. If they lose that extra ten percent of those groups they are out of power forever. Or at least until they drasticly retool their Party.
That is what this is about.
The Donks hate Dubya for a simple reason. Before he ran for the Presidency Dubya was reelected for Governor with the highest percentage of minority votes a Republican has gotten in Texas since the New Deal Coallition was formed and that includes the time Jim Crow was still going and the Repulican Party was the Party that welcomed Blacks and the Donks were the Party of the Lester Maddox, George Wallace, Senator Bilbo and that vicious Arkansaw racist, Fulbright.
Not much but the rhetoric with the Donks, they're still, as they've been since they were the pro-slavery party, desperate to keep minorities in their place.
The Donks hate and fear Dubya because too many of their minorities ran off and left ol' Massa's plantation to join him.
Posted by: Peter at October 15, 2004 09:27 PM (AaBEz)
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I agree that the Dems are losing minority votes. And they are absolutely bleeding Catholic votes. And I certainly agree that all three of these groups are more likely to be a little socially conservative than the population at large. But I'm not sure what the numbers are (of social conservatives within each group), and it's worth noting that the Democrats' socially "permissive" nature hasn't kept these groups away in the past.
And we must remember that the gay—and gay-sympathizing—vote is also critical, especially given how tight this race might end up being.
So I don't draw a straight line (pun not intended) between Kerry's controversial/gauche remark and the relationship between the GOP and minorities.
After all, the GOP is also attracting libertarians in droves, and we
want gay rights, for the most part.
The GOP of the future will be filled with alliances just as uneasy as the Dem alliances of the past was.
And I'm sure this will be true of whatever party rises from the ashes of the dearly departed Democratic party over the next 20-30 years to take its place.
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Bush in the Lead on National Polling
I'm not much of a national polls girl, because there is a real possibility this year of George W. Bush winning the popular vote, but losing the election in the electoral college—so I've been watching the maps. But the tide has certainly turned again in terms of the popular vote. Via Outside the Beltway, word comes of a
new four-point lead for Bush in the rolling three-day Reuters/Zogby poll.
Bush led Kerry 48-44 percent in the latest three-day tracking poll, which included one night of polling done after Wednesday's debate in Tempe, Arizona. Bush led Kerry, a senator from Massachusetts, by only one point, 46-45 percent, the previous day.
An improvement in Bush's showing among undecideds and a strong response from his base Republican supporters helped fuel the president's rise. "The good news for the president is that he has improved his performance among the small group of undecideds," said pollster John Zogby, who found 6 percent of likely voters are undecided. "Nearly a quarter now say that he deserves to be re-elected, up from 18 percent in our last poll." Zogby said the difference between Kerry's 79 percent support among Democrats and Bush's 89 percent support from Republicans also should be "worrisome" for Kerry in such a tight race. "Kerry needs to close the deal with his fellow Democrats," Zogby said.
Both candidates headed to the swing state of Nevada in upbeat mood on Thursday after their final debate and renewed their battle during separate appearances in Las Vegas over who was best suited to lead the middle class to prosperity. The focus of the race now turns to less than a dozen crucial battleground states, with Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin and Iowa -- where Bush and Kerry are running neck and neck -- all certain to see plenty of the candidates down the stretch.
The new tracking poll found Bush pulling into a tie with Kerry among Catholics and women voters, and moving slightly ahead with young voters. Kerry still holds a solid lead among seniors.
The poll of 1,220 likely voters was taken Tuesday through Thursday and has a margin of error of plus or minus 2.9 percentage points. The rolling poll will continue through Nov. 1—the day before the election. A tracking poll combines the results of three consecutive nights of polling, then drops the first night's results each time a new night is added. It allows pollsters to record shifts in voter sentiment as they happen.
The poll showed independent candidate Ralph Nader, blamed by some Democrats for drawing enough votes from Al Gore to cost him the election in 2000, with the support of 1.1 percent of likely voters.
On which James comments:
Bush's strong showing among women and the young is especially interesting--although it should be noted that young voters are among the least likely to actually turn out and vote. Bush's lead among Catholics is surprising, too. Not only is Kerry a Catholic but Catholics tend to vote Democrat, valuing the welfare state over abortion and similar issues. Indeed, if Bush is running even among women and Catholics, I wonder whose support he's losing to have him in such a tight race.
James also turned me on to Real Clear Politics, which has political articles, a running electoral vote map, and a summary of what different polls are showing in the battleground states.
At this moment, Real Clear Politics has Bush at 264 electoral votes, and Kerry at 237. But the margins are razor-thin on that—many are within the margin of error on the polls themselves.
So we're still biting our nails. Especially those of us who have been predicting a Bush landslide ever since Kerry was nominated. (I'm sticking with that prediction, by the way: but I do sweat a little in the middle of the night once in a while.)
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I hope your right about a land-slide because these polls are scaring the crap out of me and I can only drink so much to replace the sweat that I am losing. Nails, we don't no stinking nails...
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October 14, 2004
Ladies and Gentlemen . . .
Scott Ott, for your dining and dancing pleasure:
Kerry Sorry for Remark About Cheney's Lesbian Child
(2004-10-14) -- John Forbes Kerry, father of two heterosexual daughters, today apologized for referring to the sexual preference of Vice President Dick Cheney's daughter during last night's final presidential debate.
"There's nothing wrong with being one of God's homosexual children," said Mr. Kerry, an openly-heterosexual veteran of foreign war who is also a U.S. Senator, "And far be it from me to pry into the private life of Mr. Cheney's lesbian child, who is gay and a homosexual. People can't choose whom they will love, and so I should not have mentioned that his daughter is a lesbian person, and not a heterosexual, but in fact a gay homosexual woman who is a lesbian with the last name Cheney."
Read the whole thing, before Kerry feels the wrath of Lynne Cheney, and the disgust of moderate voters, who generally see through these types of shenanigans.
This guy won't be electable as dogcatcher after this.
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LMA-
Good to see you stepping up and recognizing a horrible personal attack like Kerry made. Oh wait... except it wasn't an attack in content or tone. Mary Cheney hasn't said word one about whether she is offended or not, and she's the one who should count. Mary Cheney is an activist for gay rights and an adult -- not some public-shy 14 year old. At this point, all they are guilty of is bad form.
The "shock" from the Cheney's strikes me as exaggerated or implying that there is some shame in their daughter's sexuality. There was nothing negative about Mary Cheney in what Kerry said.
- DNE
Posted by: DNE at October 14, 2004 09:57 PM (tpysi)
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There were plenty of people in his own life he could have used as examples of lesbian/gay citizens--and he also could have left the discussion abstract. To decide that you need an example of a gay person, and then use one from the opposition camp, is simply bizarre.
Edwards had already brought up the subject of Mary Cheney in the VP debate, in a much more appropriate context. For Kerry to try to shoehorn a second mention of her into his response indicates that he was Trying Too Hard.
So, why? Why did the Kerry-Edwards people insist on discussing Mary Cheney in two consecutive debates?
Because they were hoping to drive a wedge between Bush and some of the religious people in his base. Because they perceive us to be homophobes, being bigots themselves.
Seen in this light, the remark was an instance of using the Vice President's daughter as a political pawn, and it was an attempt to queer-bait the GOP.
The Cheneys aren't "shocked." They are angry. Anyone would be angry at seeing someone use his/her daughter as a political tool.
This is going to backfire big-time.
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See, I don't think that was the intention at all. Steve Gunderson, former
Republican congressman, who happens to be gay, called Kerry's comments 'absolutely appropriate'. Dick Gephardt said the same thing. The Cheney's said nothing publically about Alan Keyes calling Mary Cheney a 'selfish hedonist'. No angry comments about that?
If Kerry was trying to drive a political wedge, I think it's much less liekly that he was trying to alienate the conservative base (they're not going to vote for him any way) than that he was trying to highlight the contrast between the strong anti-gay politics the Bush/Cheney put forth and the reality they live.
Aren't you much more offended by the notion that Bush thinks that homosexuality is a choice?
Posted by: dne at October 15, 2004 09:50 AM (BPyqV)
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See, I don't think that was the intention at all. Steve Gunderson, former Republican congressman, who happens to be gay, called Kerry's comments 'absolutely appropriate'. Dick Gephardt said the same thing. The Cheney's said nothing publically about Alan Keyes calling Mary Cheney a 'selfish hedonist'. No angry comments about that?
Here are a few more gay republican perspectives for you:
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BoifromTroy:
Imagine if John Kemp, circa 1996, said, "And I think if you were to talk to Bill Clinton's daughter, who is one ugly girl, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as." There would be outrage.
What if Geraldine Ferraro said, "And I think if you were to talk to Ronald Reagan's son, who is a ballet dancer, he would tell you that he's being who he was, he's being who he was born as." Unacceptable.
Then again, if Mike Dukakis had said, "And I think if you were to talk to George Bush's son, who is a former coke addict and an alcoholic, he would tell you that he's being who he was, he's being who he was born as," you still would have been offended, at the time.
So why is Mary Cheney fair game all of a sudden in a world where Presidential families have been generally left off-the-table? Surrogates may ridicule them, but they rarely become debating arguments.
I don't know whether Mary Cheney believes homosexuality is a choice, and I would bet John Kerry has not asked her.
There are plenty of other homosexuals out there which John Kerry could have cited as an example--Barney Frank, Jim Kolbe (who was from Arizona), Tammy Baldwin, from the swing state of Wisconsin. So why single out the Vice President's daughter?
Why indeed? Because Kerry was gay-baiting in an attempt to peel some Religious Right votes away from the President.
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Gay Patriot adds:
Wouldn't be ironic and quite delicious if the disrespect that Kerry and Edwards both showed to Mary Cheney and the belittling of her family's love and personal acceptance becomes the final nail in the Democrats' shrill coffin of the 2004 campaign?
Yes, VOTE WITH MARY CHENEY. The gay activists can't get away with both using her as a symbol of progress, yet shunning her for her individuality! She is an out lesbian with a female partner who is voting for her father's and President Bush's re-election.
And most significantly, the slimy attacks on her by both Democratic nominees have had a curious impact: those most enraged and ralling to a lesbian's defense are those from the conservative/religious side of the Republican Party.
As for the issue of Alan Keyes, he was treated as the wingnut he is. The Bush-Cheney campaign issued a statement that his remarks were inappropriate, and he was virtually ignored. Mary Cheney's mother and sister were asked about Keyes's slam, and Liz Cheney remarked, "I'm surprised, frankly, that you would repeat the quote, and I'm not going to dignify it with a comment." (See
this article in the
Washington Blade.)
If Kerry was trying to drive a political wedge, I think it's much less liekly that he was trying to alienate the conservative base (they're not going to vote for him any way) than that he was trying to highlight the contrast between the strong anti-gay politics the Bush/Cheney put forth and the reality they live.
I'm not so sure most traditionally conservative voters are voting for Bush; a lot of people are upset about his liberalism, especially on immigration issues—along with the growing deficit. Bush, unlike Reagan, is not a staunch conservative. If it weren't for his handling of the War on Terror, the base wouldn't be energized at all.
I'm not sure I see what you are describing as "strong anti-gay politics." Are you referring to the FMA, which was a dead letter to begin with?
And I don't see what the "contrast" is between what B/C say and the way they live. The President made a half-hearted attempt to stop gay marriage—which, even if he had really meant it, is different from being anti-gay—and the VP would like to see the states determine how marriage is going to shake out.
Aren't you much more offended by the notion that Bush thinks that homosexuality is a choice?
When has he said that? He certainly declined to say such a thing during the debate.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 15, 2004 01:06 PM (SuJa4)
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The argument that Kerry was trying to peel away religious right votes holds no water. Immediately after the Cheney reference, Kerry proceeded to lay out what that same group would consider a pro-gay agenda. It makes no sense tactically or strategically. Whereas showing the hypocrisy of the president's position does (albeit, in retrospect, this has clearly played out to Kerry's detriment).
But, without exception, the gays & lesbians I have spoken to did not perceive it as gay-baiting of any sort.
If anything, Kerry is guilty of bad form with some people, because one 'simply doesn't discuss such things in public'.
And Bush made a 'half-hearted' attempt on the FMA? Bush is either anti-gay, or a hypocrite on the subject, and his 'I don't know' answer to the question "Is homosexuality a choice?" is either a) an honest answer, but one that implies significant anti-homosexuality (and a huge degree of ignorance), b) a moderate answer and he's strongly anti-gay
, or c) a huge pander to the religious right/hard conservatives, he is really secretly tolerant, non-judgmental, and accepting of all of our gay brethern. And if the answer is 'C', I'm especially disgusted by his choice when he could actually make a difference how some people perceive this issue.
- DNE
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The argument that Kerry was trying to depress the religious-right vote is
not the same as saying he wanted those votes for himself, which isn't realistic. But I think he'd like some of those people to stay home. I don't, by the way, think this was Kerry's idea, and that's why he was so clumsy about it. I believe it was Edwards' idea: when he and Kerry were rivals, his side handed out flyers highlighting Kerry's Catholic background, and distributed them at certain fundamentalist churches and events. This is how Edwards plays the game, and it's pretty distasteful.
I don't see the President as a hypocrite, but certainly that's a matter of opinion. And central to that analysis is the question of how important one actually sees marriage to be. I'd like to see gay marriage, but I think I could live with civil unions, provided they carried full Federal benefits, which is one of the problems we're having now. And, like Dick Cheney, I feel that the correct place to experiment with all the issues surrounding gay marriage (or, in some cases, civil unions) is in the states. That way we can work out all the legal bugs (and there are a few, particularly WRT custody questions).
I'll concede that if I ever thought the FMA had a chance of passing, I would have been furious. As it was, I found it somewhat distasteful.
Look. We're going to have gay marriage. The questions are 1) when, and 2) will there be a transitional phase involving civil unions, and 3) will we all eventually have civil unions, with marriage being a personal/religious label that's up to the individuals and their clergy to adopt? (My favorite solution: the State should be as un-involved in this as possible.)
What percentage of your G/L friends who didn't perceive Kerry to be gay-baiting are Democrats? Just askin'.
And, let's be honest: sometimes homosexuality is a choice, especially for women. Human sexuality is pretty plastic (again, especially for females), and a lot of people are born bi, and influenced by their socialization to make whichever choice is handier. We don't really know what the factors are that determine the part that's intrinsic. So I don't think your a, b, or c choices above are necessarily applicable: I think Bush was saying what a lot of people might say who are keeping track of the science and know that we haven't yet identified a "gay gene." We don't yet have a fix on this. And as a practical matter, who cares?
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 18, 2004 04:33 PM (SuJa4)
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Well, I still don't see it the same way you do, but I do agree that Edwards is much more questionable on the homosexuality issue -- he clearly is uncomfortable with the subject, if not anti-gay entirely. I do think you've gone overboard with your vitriol toward Elizabeth Edwards, for whatever that's worth.
And, yes, there are some people for whom homosexuality is a choice, but it isn't in the larger sense of the question "Is homosexuality a choice?"
The reason the question matters is that the religious objection to homosexuality (i.e., that it is sin, etc.) is largely undercut if gays are born ("created") that way.
Posted by: dne at October 18, 2004 10:01 PM (tpysi)
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I do think you've gone overboard with your vitriol toward Elizabeth Edwards, for whatever that's worth.
I figured. Yet twice in two days the Kerry-Edwards camp presumed to declare what they thought a member of the Cheney camp thought--and Elizabeth Edwards imputed "shame" regarding her daughter to the Vice President's wife. Not nice. Not nice at all.
And, yes, there are some people for whom homosexuality is a choice, but it isn't in the larger sense of the question "Is homosexuality a choice?" The reason the question matters is that the religious objection to homosexuality (i.e., that it is sin, etc.) is largely undercut if gays are born ("created") that way.
I understand the political underpinnings of the issue, but I don't think that's any reason to shove truth aside, particularly since the "religious right" isn't going to win in this issue--not in the long term. The fact that you concede homosexuality is sometimes a choice is significant, and you actually wrote:
And, yes, there are some people for whom homosexuality is a choice, but it isn't in the larger sense of the question "Is homosexuality a choice?"
Now isn't that a little semantic? It's as if you want to say sometimes it's a choice, in private, but we must only whisper that, because to admit it out loud is too dangerous. And DNE will admit that it can be a choice, but the President is a bad guy for saying he doesn't know whether it is. Bad President! Bad!
It's hard not to feel that your logic is getting twisted into pretzels, here.
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The Lesbian Card
There is a fine line between discussing Mary Cheney as it pertains to a frank exchange on views of homosexuality, and violating her privacy (and that of the Vice President's family). I think most people felt that John Edwards was coloring within the lines when he discussed the young Ms. Cheney in an intimate setting over a table with the Vice President last week. But John Kerry was out of bounds in the way he talked about Mary Cheney last night: there was nothing germane in bringing up her sexual orientation, and it came off as cheap theatre, a transparent attempt to drive a wedge between the President and his conservative base.
Plus, the fact that both events occurred—that Ms. Cheney was discussed twice in a row—makes it look like there's a strategy afoot. That's just not something that happens naturally.
Apparently, if you don't want your daughter to be used as a political football, it means you are "ashamed" of her. That's how Elizabeth Edwards put it, anyway. What a cunt.
She probably believes anyone who's right-of-center on any issue at all is a hopeless homophobe. (That's why Kerry pulled the stunt in the first place: the presumption is that the GOP base is laced with homophobia.)
God help this country if these creeps get elected. They are the scum of the earth.
I can't stand what's happening to this country, and I can't wait till this election is over.
Ohio, don't fail us.
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"That's how Elizabeth Edwards put it, anyway. What a cunt."
Zing!
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 14, 2004 09:34 PM (c8BHE)
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LMA-
I know your politics on this issue, or at least where they were a few years ago, and I am surprised you have taken the orthodox Republican line on this.
In what Kerry said there was nothing offensive apart from, perhaps, poor manners. I don't think it was to drive a wedge (Bush's base will vote for him anyway), I do think it was intended to highlight the contrast between what Bush preaches and reality and to preempt the Republicans using the issue as a wedge issue in the debates.
While I don't actually think the Cheney's are ashamed of their daughter, they are playing on the cultural homophobia in this country that traditionally associates shame with it.
- DNE
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"Ohio, don't fail us."
From your mouth to God's ears.
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Final Debate '04
It was really hard to be objective about this particular debate, because I know enough about the issues—and John Kerry— to find Kerry's laundry lists of candy and gum he'll be giving us all rather boring and laughable. By the end of the evening I was wondering if I could look up the phrase "stereotypical politician" in a dictionary, and find Kerry's picture there. Those were his better moments: I was also reminded of snake oil pitch men, and used car salesmen.
After watching the tape I'd made of the debate I poked my head into my husband's office and enquired, "did you know that when Kerry gets elected it'll start raining hundred dollar bills?"
"I got that idea," he replied.
"I mean, we'll have so much extra money and government benefits, it'll get downright annoying."
The clincher, though, was the sequence wherein our guys made their closing statements. Bush came up with an image—a painting of a sunrise over a hill in Texas—that evoked two different Reaganesque phrases: "morning in America," and "the shining city on a hill" that Reagan thought America was and could be. I thought it was important for Bush to do something to show that underneath the surface, where he discusses hard realities and Kerry makes endless promises, there is a level on which he is the optimist and Kerry, the pessimist.
This race hinges on how the undecided voters break: some analysts claim they'll break for the challenger, and some, for the incumbent.
I thought Bush did well. I still wish he were fluent in English—but you can't have everything. He's a good man, and he's doing a lot to keep this country safe. I'm convinced he'll do a better job than Kerry on that score, and that he'll be a better facilitator for economic growth as well.
I thought he won the second presidential debate, though the Fox panelists—tough guys, all—scored that one as a tie. This time I thought perhaps it might be a draw, but the Fox guys gave this one to Bush.
It doesn't matter what we think, though. It matter what people in New Mexico and Ohio think.
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October 13, 2004
Yet Another Score by Dean
Dean Esmay has another
interview with a Swiftie up on his site. This one is with Kerry's CO, George Elliott. It's very good. Go read; see you later.
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October 12, 2004
Let Them Eat Ketchup
Kate of
Small Dead Animals has a very nice spoof of the old Great White North bit running over at
Protein Wisdom. In this version, our heroes interview Teresa Heinz Kerry. Over beer, natch.
Just for grins, I followed Kate's link back to this link about Teresa's latest idiotic statement, and began thinking about that "need and greed for oil" line again. When I first heard it, I remember wondering about Teresa's fortune, and her "need and greed" for tomato sauce. I've read that if she and her husband win this race they'll be the richest first couple in history—richer than the first JFK and Jackie. But, whatever.
What struck me this time was the word need. We can argue all day about how effective it is to install democracy at the point of a gun, though I'm going to have to agree with all the Japanese, Germans, and Afghanis who say it's just fine. But to suggest that this country needs oil, but oughtn't to do anything to ensure that it has a steady supply of it—even when the results are beneficial to the other country involved on a humanitarian level—borders on "let them eat cake" territory. After all, if the economy went into the toilet because our energy needs weren't being met, a lot of people would lose their homes. But Teresa would still have her four. Tra la la.
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More on that "Nuisance"
Eugene Volokh and one of his co-conspirators, Orin Kerr, discuss John Kerry's odd analogy between terrorism and gambling/prostitution in a series of posts that begins
here. Kerr finds a possible explanation in the fact that Kerry spent some time as a prosecutor who tackled gambling related to organized crime.
I found myself thinking about that old canard to the effect that if what you have is a hammer, all your problems begin to look a lot like nails. Kerry's father was a diplomat, and one of the dominant points he's been making throughout his campaign is that he would be a better diplomat than Bush is. He's also signalled that he wants to return to the "law enforcement" model for combatting terrorism.
But both of those measures were used during the 1990s, and they failed miserably. Clinton's administration treated terrorism as a law-enforcement issue, and only emboldened Al Qaeda. And I suspect that Clinton was also one of the best diplomat-Presidents in history, if the tales are true about his level of personal charm and charisma.
Kerry is looking at the problem of terrorism from the perspective of what he considers his strong suits, rather than the perspective of what will work, and he wants to return to the strategies that didn't work in the 1990s.
And better than 45% of the U.S. population appears unable to figure this out. Truly amazing.
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October 11, 2004
Mapping the Electoral College
Stephen Green has his latest
map up at Vodkapundit. I'd been waiting several days for this, but I wasn't that happy when I saw it: he has the GOP at 271 votes, and the Democrats at 267. Very close. Of course, he gives New Mexico to the Dems, and I still think it will wake up on November 2nd, realize it's a Western state, and vote accordingly.
He also shows us a scenario under which New Hampshire could well determine the fate of the nation. (Check the extended entry—he accidentally clicked Vermont instead of NH, but his point still holds, since the two states are only off by one electoral vote: NH could conceivably become a tie-breaker.)
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It may be a western state away from the cities, but Albuquerque and Taos are liberal/new age meccas. And they have fewer Mormons than other western states which reduces the solid Republican blocs in the outlying areas.
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 14, 2004 09:42 PM (c8BHE)
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i hear that. But people should want to be left alone. And they should want to keep their guns. Therefore, they should be voting Republican.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 16, 2004 08:14 AM (SuJa4)
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Kerry: Terrorists a "Nuisance"
Kerry let his true attitude about the War on Terror shine through in a
New York Times puff piece.
When I asked Kerry what it would take for Americans to feel safe again, he displayed a much less apocalyptic worldview. ‘’We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they’re a nuisance,'’ Kerry said. ‘’As a former law-enforcement person, I know we’re never going to end prostitution. We’re never going to end illegal gambling. But we’re going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn’t on the rise. It isn’t threatening people’s lives every day, and fundamentally, it’s something that you continue to fight, but it’s not threatening the fabric of your life.'’
ThatÂ’s the difference: Unlike Clinton, Kerry does inhale.
In fairness, the defenders of this remark are suggesting that Kerry isn't saying terrorism is at a "nuisance" level now, but rather that we might get to that place after fighting it for a while—beat it back to where it was before. Unfortunately, where it was before, with the law enforcement model being used during the Clinton administration and the anemic responses to the attacks of the 90s, is how we got where we are today. Terrorism is not a criminal act; it is an act of war. And in the parts of the world where it is used, no respect is earned by treating it like a criminal act: we merely communicate that we are "soft," and encourage more of the same.
Kerry's strategy for dealing with the biggest challenge of our age—one that expressly threatens the Western world itself—is insane.
Via Armies of Liberation.
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I like this too: ‘’I know Mubarak well enough to know what I think I could achieve in the messaging and in the press in Egypt,'’
He's going to beat terrorism with 527's.
Posted by: Jane at October 11, 2004 05:26 AM (PcgQk)
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And the personal charm he doesn't actually have (but thinks he does).
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 11, 2004 06:07 AM (SuJa4)
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Slate on the Debate
William Saletan of
Slate discusses the second presidential debate, and concludes (rightly) that Bush won. What's interesting about it is that he's a liberal who believes Edwards won the VP debate. In reading it, one almost gets the feeling that he wants Kerry to be more lawyerly. Naturally, I don't think that would help their side in the least.
But it's a good read, and contains a link to the official GOP platform, which I'd never had a chance to glance through before.
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October 09, 2004
Second Presidential Debate, 1
Bush won. Not in a slam-dunk kind of way, but he won.
Some key moments:
1) When Kerry was trying to address the fact that we haven't had any major terrorist attacks since 9/11. This fact is one of his biggest weaknesses, and he knows it.
2) Kerry's handling of the stem-cell research question and the Federal funding of abortion question. In both instances he professed respect for life, and then essentially told the questioners to fuck off. With a lot of blah, blah, blah added in. This was one of the best opportunities for people to see through his lawyerly talk.
3) That moment when Kerry looked around the room and proclaimed that—from the looks of it—only he, the President, and Charlie made more than $200K a year among the people in that room. It seemed clear to me that he was making a classist judgment about what someone might look like who makes good money. As an Angeleno, I found it rather bizarre that one could presume to tell from someone's dress what sort of income they are pulling down. He might well have been correct, but his methodology was essentially a snobby one, and his outlook was very East Coast.
4) Bush's "timber" joke. It was the best line of the evening, and it broke through the audience's resistance to laughter (I suspect they had been instructed not to audibly react to what Bush and Kerry were saying).
5) The closing statements. Kerry stayed in one place and delivered some sort of little canned speech. In the background, a woman looked like she was slightly too bored to really be contemptuous of him. Very static.
When Bush gave his closing statement he walked around a little, and was animated. His entire demeanor was different from Kerry's.
The format, stilted as it was, played to Bush's strengths.
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I'm assuming your speaking of the rather large woman in white, right over Kerry's shoulder? Bored was a s good as it got for her when Kerry was speaking. There were other times she went from contemptuous to out and out hatred.
It was kinda fun to watch actually.
Posted by: frinklin at October 09, 2004 11:11 AM (4k5pf)
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What I liked was how she was perfectly framed during his closing statement. The Kerry people aren't going to want to show clips from that.
Bush thwarted anyone spoiling his footage by walking around. And he looked better doing that. And his statement was was better.
Now for a test, to see how my
links are showing up in the comments section.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 09, 2004 05:51 PM (SuJa4)
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I thought President Bush did will the first debate and he did well this debate. The most telling time was after the debate when almost everyone there wanted to meet the President and the First Lady. Do you see how accommodating they both were? Most of the people there will remember meeting and getting a picture of the President and the First Lady more then the debate. Who really is the favourite canadate?
Posted by: Bradley at October 09, 2004 10:32 PM (I74oE)
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I did see the Secret Service frustrated by their attempts to cordon the First Couple off--it seemed that they were being waved away a lot by George and Laura.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 10, 2004 10:42 AM (SuJa4)
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One part I enjoyed from last night was the moment when Bush cut off Charlie Rangel when Bush wished to respond to something Kerry had alleged about the president. I thought that was actually quite presidential. Cut the person off when you think something important absolutely must be stated. I was afraid it would place Rangel trying to show up Bush later on but thankfully it didn't occur.
Posted by: CTDeLude at October 10, 2004 12:16 PM (EHf2Z)
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Gibson. Charlie Gibson. There's been a lot of discussion of that moment: I thought it played well, but many thought Bush just looked rude.
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Have no idea how Rangel popped up into my head there but people who think Bush was rude obviously haven't seen much proper authority in their life. He's the president, Mr. Gibson is simply a reporter, the president wanting to answer something (and still within the debate guidelines) takes precedent in my mind.
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October 08, 2004
A Moment of Chagrin
Boy. Blogging sure has been light for the past 24 hours around here. I'm afraid this blog is starting to suck.
But, fear not. I have a plan for improving it. A plan!
You feel better already, don't you?
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funny....i feel about the same way i do when i hear john kerry blather on about how HE has a plan...
heh heh heh
Posted by: mr. helpful at October 09, 2004 11:52 AM (BIaN2)
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It's a secret plan. Sharing it with people would spoil it.
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JibJab Strikes Again!
So
here you go.
(Yes, I took the day off. Yes, I'll have something to say about the debate. No, I'm not watching it live. Yes, I might not make it back until tomorrow morning. Enjoy the fine folks on my blogroll, and I'll catch you later when I've caught up on sleep.)
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October 07, 2004
The Clairol Boys and Intelligence
Turns out that's an oxymoron. Today the
Senate voted the most dramatic change to our intelligence services in half a century. The vote was 96-2 in favor of the new framework, based on the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission.
Two senators didn't vote. Guess which ones.
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VP, The Final Battle
Just three things about this matter of Cheney and Edwards having met before the night they debated:
1) If Cheney's misstatement was done on purpose, it's worthy of condemnation, because I don't want those of us on the libertarian/right side of things to get into the habit of thinking the ends justify the means. (Or that information can be "false but accurate.") That's for some of the other guys.
2) It seems perfectly likely that Cheney just didn't remember. Those of us who aren't in public life probably can't imagine what it's like to have a job that involves meeting people by the thousands, and smiling at them and shaking their hands. And Cheney has spent decades doing this; it might not be natural at all for him to remember one junior senator, before that senator rose to prominence.
3) The best evidence that it was a simple oversight is the fact that Edwards forgot as well. How do we know this? We know it because Edwards didn't say anything about it during the debate. And he would have, too: both men were entirely willing to finish up a previous question before moving on to the one they were asked to speak on at any given moment. It would have been very easy for Edwards to say, "Before I answer that question, let me point out that I met the Vice President at a prayer breakfast." He didn't do that.
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Please, of course, Cheney's error was planned before the debate for full effect. That it was a lie - big deal. Cheney and Bush have plenty of lies and plenty of excuses.
But no apologies - never.
So, to recap, LMA. We went to war over WMDs and you yourself claimed definitive proof of their existence. I urged you repeatedly to send your proof to the President because he needed help. His excuses weren't proving valid.
And now - again - no WMDs. No threat to the U.S.. No link to 9/11.
Looks like your shepherd's been stretching things a-might and you've been fleeced.
Posted by: littlemrmahatma at October 08, 2004 10:38 AM (BZ0tI)
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I'm not going to say that the invasion was a mistake, because I don't see it that way. I do think our intelligence could have been better.
Naturally, I'm chastened by the fact that your guy has been voting to strengthen our intelligence services over the years. Oh, wait . . . .
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 08, 2004 04:34 PM (SuJa4)
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Ooooh neat! ...Trolls!!
Thanks Miss Attila!
I thought the exact same thing once I heard they had been at the same prayer breakfast-thing. Edwards damn-sure would have corrected the VP if it had come to mind. Being in the same place, and even mentioning someones's name in a speech doesn't necessarily equate "meeting" someone. Edwards lack of memory of the event proves to me that they never "met"
Best Regards!
Posted by: Zoot at October 08, 2004 05:46 PM (35sAZ)
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I have known people who make such a dramatic impression on people around them that it takes three or four introductions to remember them.
Good thing JE was seated stage right so people wouldn't become mesmerized by that mole on his lip.....
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October 06, 2004
More on the VP Debate
My mother used to have an emotionally disturbed dog that yipped at everyone and barked, and jumped up at people—sometimes several feet into the air. It was a little miniature pinscher, and its barking was always somewhat comic in relationship to its size.
That's what Edwards reminded me of last night: a little yipping dog.
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Well, That's Succinct
Shackleford
sums up what he calls Kerry's "Tooth Fairy Diplomacy" plan for Iraq:
To recap Kerry's plan: a) call meetings b) do same thing as Bush only better cause I'm not Bush.
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He's not the first one to < href="http://www.grubbypawsproductions.com/k/believe.html">link Kerry to the Tooth Fairy. I got that link in the mail a couple of days ago. It's pretty darned funny too. I do so enjoy sarcasm...
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Oops. You don't do html links?
http://www.grubbypawsproductions.com/k/believe.html
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Sorry. They don't show up properly, since they end up being the same color as the background. My brilliant designer has been alerted, but in the meantime we'll have to make do with a little cut-and-paste action.
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