1 Father: muslim with communist leanings. Step-father: muslim with communist leanings. Mother: radical hippie chick with communist leanings. Preacher Rev. Wright: USA hating, black "liberation theology" nonsense. Good friend: William Ayers, radical, hippie terrorist. Wife: Michelle, USA hating, chip on her shoulder besides having a middle class, Ivy League education. Hmm, yes he's a "good American" isn't he? McCain-Palin by a comfortable margin.

2 As more and more Americans see and hear Sarah Palin, they are attracted to her wonderful personal story of starting as a local city councilwoman, then mayor, then governor. Now soon to be Vice President. In the other corner, we have a phony lawyer, who George Soros and Oprah Winfrey has financed and promoted. One with very little accomplishments and a history of Muslim and Communist leanings. Las Vegas odds-makers are now saying McCain-Palin have a 7 out of 10 chance of winning in November. And these odds are likely to rise. The media and international opinion will be showed for how much it really means to the American people: Nothing.

3 I know you guys mean well. I'm comfortable with anti-Communist rhetoric, because of its unprecedented death toll, particularly in the 20th Century. I am not comfortable with the anti-Islamic sentiment. If it's fair to judge Islam by its lunatic fringe/worst failures (not matter how destructive they were seven years ago on this very continent), then it's fair to judge every other group in the same way. Including Americans. Including Christians. Don't care that he briefly attended a Muslim-run school as a child. Don't care about his middle name, which was assigned to him at birth. Don't care about any irregularities on his birth certificate. If we can vote for McCain, we can vote for Obama. He's a legitimate candidate. I do care about the associations with Ayers, Dorn, Wright, and Wright's church--speaking of lunatic fringes. But what matters right now is not the popular vote. What matters is the battleground states and the electoral college.

4 Eh, good call, Attila. Liberalism, outside of the current lefty hijack, is a good term per se and I'd be proud to claim some of it also. Not to punch holes in your response; I think it was considered and rational. However, the difference is this: Judaism, the bloody, violent bits of it, including the Law and the works of the Prophets, and even the Writings, was meant to be in operation by Israelites in Israel. Christianity, the same bloody, violent bits of it (and yes, the NT does have such imagery), is reserved for God Himself, and not His people. This is something that I cannot state too emphatically, and which I don't think too many people grasp. I just might do a post on my own blog about that - and a whole lot of other stuff I've been meaning to speak about but was too lazy. Plus, I can't click on your link. As of writing this comment. And here's where I asked the question: How are the 'Christians' justifying themselves? By and large, I think you'll find it's not driven by religion or doctrine, but by politics and tribalism and the Hatfield-McCoy thingy instead. Although, I imagine a Catholic would be capable of punching up an atheist who suggested that Mary was perhaps a bit loose with her morals with a Roman soldier. But, no, even that kinda stretches the imagination. And you know, when you actually ask an IRA dude straight out whether he's killing the Protestants simply because they're Protestants, and he disagrees with their ideology/doctrine, chances are he'll hotly deny it and talk about history instead. Good luck getting a Muslim who's actually actively terrorising to say that. CAIR might, and all kinds of other apologists might, but the Muslim terrorists themselves? Not so much. As has been documented over and over, the core of their actions is religiously-based. I think we all agree that by and large, Muslims (please, RSG, you can spell it correctly, it doesn't help our cause to denigrate the whole bunch of 'em) are not bad people. The problem is, Islam is, like Scientology (except even more so), a bad theocratic religion. And the more a putative Muslim wants to become more of a Muslim, the less classical liberal he becomes. I don't know the answer. Or strategy. We are fundamentally dealing with different mindsets. You can go ahead and read the Koran if you don't believe me, but keeping in mind that later verses abrogate earlier ones, and keeping in mind that the Muslims consider Muhammad's life one to emulate (as the Last Prophet), well... /btw, I'm a minority ethnically and religiously in my home country. I know from whence I speak. Most of the Muslims I know aren't the bad ones, but some... oi oi.

5 Gregory and LMA - I enjoy our chat......but fundamentally I find LMA waaay too "uber-tolerant" for my taste. To equate islam with Christianity and Judaism from centuries ago is.....well just silly and foolish. We're talking about today. Most moooslims are not terrorists, but almost all terrorists today are moooslims. (notice the sarcastic spelling; shows my contempt). LMA - I'm not interested in befriending the enemy or the enemy culture. It's the culture, stupid (not directed at you, an expression). I subscribe to the small but growing school of thinking that says the West should disengage with the islamic world. Have less and less to do with them and certainly, reduce if not stop their immigration into the West. Are we allowed to say that muslims attacked us on 9/11/01 or have we all become so conditioned that we must use the “pc” term – islamists? 9/11 is now known as a “tragedy” instead of what it really is, a precision military attack. We see the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor more often on the History Channel and related networks more than we see the muslim attack on 9/11. We’ve already been pacified. We’ve lost the immigration war with Islam. They’re coming here in record numbers, building mosques and establishing beach-fronts here. England may already be lost. As soon as a nation caves to moooslim "culture" by allowing some sharia law, mooslim customs, dress, diet, etc. - they are as good as dhimmis. You both must be young (and a bit naive).

6 RSG: Okay, pal, I'll let Attila handle that one. Not getting involved. *Not*. But for myself, you could start by looking at my blog. Not that I'm trying to promote it or anything; it's kinda spotty and all, but you don't really know where I live, do you? Trust me; things in the USA are not that bad yet, dude. Trust me. You ain't seen bad or dhimmitude yet - indeed, I haven't experienced the *real* thing yet either, but I would wager 3 months salary I'm a lot closer to the issue than you are. Naive? Not really. I know precisely what we're dealing with. I live with the mildest of consequences and already we're chafing under it. Young? Well, 28, so yeah, young. Still. Incidentally, if you wanted to look up my posts on LGF (not much nor often, since Charles Johnson's gone anti-YEC, and I'm YEC so why visit a site that's slapping me in the face allatime?) or DW/JW (again, not too often do I post, because I don't have much to say except, "well, duh"), you can trace my login ID gkong3. I gotta be careful what I say, and of course occasionally I try to be even-handed and all, but I think I *get it*. What do you think?

7 It's cool, Gregory, I'm not trying to give you or LMA a hard time and I understand you do probably "get it". 28? Yeah, you're young and dumb! (just kiddin!!!) We all are at your age but there's time for you! I live in Dearborn, Michigan USA - the "capital" of Islam in the USA. Always has been for darn near a century but since the early 90's, and immigration levels went way up, the percentage of muslims of course went way up but even more so, the type of muslim immigrant changed, to a much more fundamentalist, archaic, strict/devout, sharia law type of muslim. Suffice to say, if this immigration continues, it will not end well. One more word of advice to LMA, jihad is not as simple as a "personal spiritual struggle" to improve oneself. That's the cover story. True, believing muslims are commanded to practice jihad, which also very much means to spread Islam and sharia law to all lands in the world. True devout muslims are instructed not to give their allegiance to nation-states since they are created by mere men but to remain loyal to the "state-less state" of Islam. Take care gang.......gotta get some work done. rsg

8 We will not defeat Islamic "terrorism" until we admit that: 1) Identify the enemy - it's ISLAMIC. (we are unwilling to do this) 2) It's jihad and the natural way of Islamic warfare. (inner spiritual struggle my ass) 3) Immigration enables all this to occur. Therefore, we will become dhimmis.....

9 LMA & Gregory, please read this link for http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/022645.php#comments Thanks rsg