September 28, 2006
My Mother Calls.
She wants to give me moral support. I tell her I'm getting some questionable advice at my less-premium writer's group, but it's about an issue I don't really intend to fully address until I'm at the second-draft stage, anyway.
"Well, ask your good writer's group about it."
"It's okay. I'm not worried about it."
"You are too, or you wouldn't have brought it up. Go talk to your other group about it, and see if they think it's a problem. Maybe you should fix it now."
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A wise woman once said "I don't give a shit if no one else likes it. I'm keeping myself amused. It's good stuff."
I'd follow her advice...
Posted by: Darrell at September 29, 2006 07:45 AM (xNFyN)
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I just thought it was a bit ironic that I complained to her about bad, ineffective advice, and got--bad, ineffective advice.
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 29, 2006 02:31 PM (LEEsJ)
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I only did 12 drafts before my book was done and gone to the publisher.
Whew.
By that time, I was very tired of it.
Posted by: clyde at October 03, 2006 05:35 AM (6m+7s)
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Attila, remember what the word "editor" means. To edit. To take away. I have never met an editor who ADDED anything. Hmm. Maybe a better job description would be "takeaway artist".
Posted by: clyde at October 03, 2006 05:36 AM (6m+7s)
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Yeah. The term "first draft" is a bit of a joke, since most of the chapter drafts I have in the "complete" folder have been gone over half a dozen times.
And I'm sure there will be just as many revisions when it's finished.
Drop by after Halloween and tell me where to find your book; I'm sure I'll be sick of my own by then, and ready to take a break.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 04, 2006 08:54 AM (LEEsJ)
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Every Time I'm Tempted to Give Up
I write another chapter or scene that charms the hell out of me, and I think, "I don't give a shit if no one else likes it. I'm keeping myself amused. It's good stuff."
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September 25, 2006
Sunday Afternoon at the Reading Party
The instructor of my Thursday group had one of her semi-annual soirees yesterday, and I read something aloud that I hadn't edited as thoroughly as I might have.
So I felt and silly and oddly exposed; and it took me a while to get past that.
It shocks me when I get shy. Sometimes my moxie departs rather suddenly, and I'm left wondering whether my shy self is more authentic, or whether it's the extraverted version that's the "real me."
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They're are all the real 'you.' We're all 'Sybyls' with multiple distinct personalities, the sum total of all our life experiences and coping mechanisms. The only difference is we're functional. And don't change our voices, and don't change our clothes to suit the chronological ages of our component selves. Usually. Until we buy that red sports car...
First off know that most of the people really didn't pick up on the same things you did, unless you gave them printed pages of the text to follow along. They thought you had a bad 'performance,' if even that. Blame the computer for spitting out the rough draft instead of the final copy when that happens. Or a 'stroke.' Or Tanqueray "Wet."
Spend an hour at the pistol range or listening to your classic LP collection. That will help. And let your extrovert catch up on your letter backlog, the kind we all have. And kick back and relax instead of committing yourself to all those 'performances' every day of the week!
Posted by: Darrell at September 25, 2006 08:45 AM (qX7F0)
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And read your copy or comments at least once before you hit "Post"...
Posted by: Darrell at September 25, 2006 08:47 AM (qX7F0)
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In my case, if I seem extroverted in a particular situation, it is an anomaly and I will return to my reticent self before long. In fact, I surprise myself sometimes, and wonder which yakky doodle just took over my body for the last half-hour.
Nope. The real me would prefer the remote places with few to none for company.
Posted by: Desert Cat at September 25, 2006 08:00 PM (xdX36)
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Well, at least you know which side of the divide you belong on . . .
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 25, 2006 09:36 PM (LEEsJ)
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September 09, 2006
I Especially Dig It
. . . when members of my writing groups criticize my punctuation. One woman hates my semicolons, and another doesn't like my colons.
I believe they would like me to write simple, declarative sentences. Subject does verb with predicate. All rather short. And simple. Containing, perhaps, the occasional comma. And a sentence fragment for dramatic effect.
Look for me in South Florida. I'll be writing. Fishing. And hanging out in bars.
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Is this some kind of plan to become the female writer version of Jimmy Buffet?
Posted by: the Pirate at September 09, 2006 12:09 PM (Rg0+S)
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I was trying for Ernest Hemingway, but I'll take what I can get.
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 09, 2006 01:30 PM (kFfrz)
Posted by: k at September 09, 2006 08:31 PM (GIL7z)
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Write a scene where an angry writer brings an Ak-47 to her writers group and "scribbles" colons and semi-colons into her critics' bodies.
That should shut them up.
If it doesn't work offer them tasty brownies laced with arsenic.
P.S. Your experiences have convinced me never to join a writers group.
Posted by: Sean Hackbarth at September 09, 2006 11:28 PM (RiZPJ)
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No, no: this is the bad writer's group--not the good writer's group. Also, I'm just a bit sensitive right now, since I'm trying to finish the book. In general, writer's groups rawk.
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 09, 2006 11:47 PM (LEEsJ)
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Just do it once for the looks on the other's faces. It could be priceless if you pull off the deadpan of course.
That could be an idea for a scene, but that's starting to get a little too meta.
Posted by: Sean Hackbarth at September 10, 2006 10:04 PM (RiZPJ)
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I once tried to publish, here, a fictionalized bit of dialogue from the good writer's group. Unfortunately, I was having problems with MT that night . . .
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 10, 2006 10:49 PM (LEEsJ)
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September 08, 2006
What I Was After in this Book
. . . was a hybrid between Michael Connelly and Jane Austen, with a little Dorothy L. Sayers thrown in.
What I've produced is more like a "Scooby Do: Where Are You" script, crossed with Sleepless in Seattle.
Not the level I wanted, but who cares? All that matters is finishing.
I should make the time to wash the dishes. And blame my problems on other people. But first, maybe I'll have another nap.
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So when can we buy it? :-)
Posted by: mark at September 09, 2006 12:24 AM (KDXI+)
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After it gets sold, edited and published. Realistically, I can't see that happening before the winter of 07-08.
But I should start taking "pre-orders" to help sell it!
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 09, 2006 03:53 AM (LEEsJ)
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Yeah, actually Scooby with Sleepless is probably more marketable than just about anything. Sell the film rights to whats-her-name and retire.
Posted by: Zendo Deb at September 09, 2006 11:42 AM (+gqOq)
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"Destiny is something we've invented because we can't stand the fact that everything that happens is accidental." "What do you care? You drink out of the toilet." "I'm Mary Jane." "Like, that is my favorite name."
Posted by: Darrell at September 09, 2006 07:46 PM (0qTMI)
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This is just FAB news! Can I say *congrats* yet?
Posted by: k at September 09, 2006 08:33 PM (GIL7z)
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Toss in a conspiracy so you can try for the Dan Brown sheep--I mean "fans."
Posted by: Sean Hackbarth at September 09, 2006 11:30 PM (RiZPJ)
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September 07, 2006
I Sweat Buckets of Blood, for Hours
. . . and here I have 1000 words. Wowie-kazowie.
Of course, it's all dialogue, which means it goes on for pages and pages. And, naturally, I'm going to get busted in writer's group for writing too much dialogue.
Even after I add the action in around the spoken words, it'll still be "ring around the collar." I've tried soaking it out, and scrubbing it out.
Yet it's enough. Enough for today.
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Pop Quiz!
If my protagonist, while driving a bit crazily—as is her wont—maneuvers around "a slowpoke Latino," is she a racist?
Please advise. Myself, I had trouble keeping a straight face when I was told that the phrase "sounds racist."
I wonder if it would be sexist to introduce a smart blonde female character.
One isn't supposed to notice anyone's physical characteristics, ya know!
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It doesn't make her a racist it makes her a person, everybody has uncharitable thoughts and attitudes from time to time, that kind of spontaneous detail about them is what fleshes them out and makes them real. It's your story, let it tell you who the characters are and if readers want to bother labeling their behavior, so what? And why would it be sexist to have a smart female blonde? My story has a lovely,brainy blonde woman who could take out a platoon armed only with a comb, and a lovely genius brunette maiden of fourteen,a lovely evil witch and a handsome, vicious, pedophile Count. Because that's who my story's about, let people take it as they may.
(Mind you, all this will change the instant somebody offers me money for it and says, "but lose the blonde".) I expect that, like me, your commenters will want to read your novel, not one written by a committee.
Posted by: colinmacdougall at September 07, 2006 08:30 AM (+z5C9)
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Change it to a slowpoke in a '64 BelAir low-rider with a "THE ONLY ILLEGALS ON THIS CONTINENT
ARE THE CRIMINAL EUROPEANS
WHO HAVE INVADED OUR CONTINENT
FROM 1492 TO THE PRESENT DAY" bumper sticker... Problem solved.
Smart blondes go against the stereotype, however misbegotten, so it isn't sexist. Do know that Sharon Stone is going to lobby for the role, though, in the movie version. She has a Mensa tattoo on her ass, you know.
Posted by: Darrell at September 07, 2006 08:39 AM (n1Kcr)
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My point exactly: my stereotype of Latin men is that they drive fast. So if one is a "slowpoke driver" it plays against the stereotype, just as a smart blonde would.
(Actually, my protagonist IS a smart blonde.)
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 07, 2006 10:45 AM (LEEsJ)
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Hmm...around here if I get stuck behind a beat up old pickup truck going 10 mph below the speed limit, almost inevitably it is a middle-aged hispanic male at the wheel.
Posted by: Desert Cat at September 07, 2006 04:21 PM (B2X7i)
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Wetback would of been racist, Latino is not.
As for Desert Cat's comment if you discribed it as a slow poke latino in a pick up truck with gardening equipment in the back, that could be racist.
Posted by: the Pirate at September 07, 2006 09:04 PM (Rg0+S)
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Well, the origin of the remark was the fact that I've been stuck behind gardeners' trucks. They do drive more slowly, because of the equipment.
It doesn't reflect on Latinos; it reflects on my character's impatience.
I mean, does any literary mention of a nonwhite person constitute racism?
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 07, 2006 09:33 PM (LEEsJ)
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I mean, does any literary mention of a nonwhite person constitute racism?
Pardon my french, but that would be stupid. I mean I don't doubt that amongst some people that is the case. But it is outright stupid.
If a person can't make simple observations without being called a racist, then the term has essentially lost all meaning.
Am I ageist if I observe that slow moving, full-size sedans are most frequently piloted by a member of the gray-haired crowd? Or a Luddite for observing that if an SUV is moving erratically in traffic it is almost inevitably piloted by some dope with a cellphone glued to his/her ear?
Nonsense.
I've also noticed that Volvos are quite frequently piloted by guilty white liberals. What does that make me?
Posted by: Desert Cat at September 08, 2006 10:27 PM (xdX36)
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 09, 2006 03:56 AM (LEEsJ)
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Years back, my eldest daughter's [then] boyfriend had gotten a new car and was taking us for a spin in it. We were cut off by a thoughtless driver and boyfriend muttered
"Stupid Asian driver!"
I looked at him with a bit of shock, "Hisonori! You're Japanese!"
"Puh-leeeeze! You know it's true. Most of us can't drive."
As he called it ... DWA
heh.
Posted by: Darleen at September 09, 2006 03:02 PM (cXz8w)
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Larry Elder likes to talk about how, when he was a waiter in his father's restaurant, he noticed that black females were the worst tippers--followed by black males.
"Sorry!" he exclaims, in a not-very-sorry-sounding tone.
He maintains that the best tippers, overall, were big, hale-and-hearty (sometimes even overweight) white men. "I dunno," he muses. "Maybe they were jolly, or something."
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 09, 2006 06:46 PM (LEEsJ)
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September 01, 2006
I'm Almost Ready
. . . to wade back into the crime novel. But I don't know whether it sucks tonight. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.
Sometimes I write a chapter or scene that's so amazing, the universe nearly hums along to the breathlessly perfect melody of the prose. Then I read it aloud in one of my criticism groups. By then someone's gone into the Word file to add cliches, bad dialogue, and typographical errors.
So it all comes down to this question: Do I feel lucky?
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I know how you feel...Somebody always does the same with my witty comments!
Good luck with your writing!
Posted by: Darrell at September 01, 2006 08:37 PM (+EHSL)
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this sounds like what happened to me at rehearsal tonight. the pianist wasn't there and the cd player was giving the director fits. usually, i sight read pretty well. but tonight the notes coming out of the piano did NOT sound like what i was trying to play. it was weird.
Posted by: maggie katzen at September 01, 2006 11:57 PM (wIQcY)
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Damn. Sounds like your novel is going to have thirty-eleven authors, all listed alphabetically I hope. Royalties paid the same way. Remember, a camel is a horse created by committee. Other than that, I have no opinion. Well, maybe one question: if your "group" is so into participating in the writing of your book, how many have actually been published? If none, consider the source of their commentary.
Posted by: clyde at September 02, 2006 04:53 AM (6m+7s)
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Thanks for your kind words, but I'm a perfectionist, so writing a first draft is bound to be painful for me. And I did do something experimental this week, and was acutely aware that it wasn't completely successful.
Or, like Edison figuring out the light bulb, I've "identified what doesn't work." Better way to look at it, I guess
Posted by: Attila Girl at September 02, 2006 06:25 AM (LEEsJ)
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I sometimes cringe at phrases I've written but keep writing on so as not to get bogged down, I know what I meant and I can come back and tinker when it's time to re-write. I think the greatest danger to the novel we're all eager to read is the distraction perfectionism can create. I've recruited a couple of beta readers myself but I find I'm more productive the less I think in terms of what they'd like. Remember this is all rehearsal, opening night is when you put it in the box and send it off. Best of Luck!
Posted by: Colin MacDougall at September 02, 2006 09:05 AM (+z5C9)
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Better than Edison, be like Michaelangelo. He carved the statue of David by cutting away anything that didn't look like him.
Posted by: clyde at September 03, 2006 04:29 AM (6m+7s)
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