October 22, 2005
Time for My Favorite Annual Sleep-Deprivation Exercise,
the incredible
Liberty Film Festival. As with last year, Attila the Hub and I got all-event passes. If possible, this year is loaded with even more good stuff. We started with a cute spoof of
Fahrenheit 9/11 by Rick Nyholm entitled
Fellowship 9/11. Needless to say, it takes a few gentle jabs at the
Lord of the Rings movies—while savaging Moore. What's not to like?
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October 21, 2005
Writer's Group Last Night.
They liked my ookey melodramatic backstory, and they think it should go back into the book.
Though I'll have to re-write it in the first person to match the rest of the material. Or, I can re-cast the other parts in third, though semi-hard-boiled American mysteries are usually in first.
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Good for you. Keep at at it.
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The leader of the group said something last night about problems that "should be fixed in second draft." I was aghast at the idea that there would be a second draft. I kind of imagined that if I just finished the first draft, I could knock off, eat blueberry muffins, and wait for fame and fortune.
Apparently, that's not how it works.
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Good stories are not written, they are rewritten. The first try always looks awful, sometimes even the second. The sculptor carves a piece of rock because he knows that there is a statue in there somewhere. The same with a writer, there is a good story in there somewhere. So you have to refine it like a piece of metal.
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October 20, 2005
I Had a Nightmare
That I was carrying a frightened child around in a dystopian environment, surrounded by violence and violent expressions of sexuality. I had to protect myself and the child at the same time.
But in the dream I had money. What does that mean?—that I'm more afraid of societal decay than I am of being broke?
Or that I'm still shitting gold bricks at the prospect of parenthood?
Note to self: What to Expect the First Year is not appropriate bedtime reading.
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I am not sure what to make of the comment of parenthood, but let me assure you that parenthood is both the most demanding and most rewarding endeavors you can engage yourself in.
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What to Expect the First Year is not appropriate bedtime reading.
...or before meals for that matter. But it
is a most informative book.
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Dean Has an Amazing Post
up right now about politics, economics, fractals, and human physiology.
UPDATE: I mean, Dave Price (Tall Dave) does.
Go. Now.
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Sure, give Dean all the credit
Posted by: TallDave at October 20, 2005 07:10 AM (giBEj)
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Oh, shit. I just did The Thing One Musn't Ever Do, didn't I?
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I thought that was wearing white after Labor Day.
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Now That We're Officially Approved
for adoption, Attila the Hub wants me to look into getting a crib or bassinette and a basic layette, since placement can take anywhere from . . . ten minutes to ten years.
(What we're being told is a year or two, but our profile is pretty desirable. And sometimes kids fall into the agency's lap rather suddenly, so my husband's correct: we should be prepared.)
If you hear about an unplanned pregnancy in your community, let me know. And if you hear about any good deals on cribs in Southern California, I'd love to hear about that as well.
Terrified right now. Just so you know.
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yay! for finally getting through the whole process to the REALLY hard part

As for cribs etc. There are only about a billion kids resale shops in and around our area. Worth a look. And the Rose Bowl Flea Market usually has a few nice ones for a reasonable price....
What about a car seat? You probably want to pick up one of those too if you don't already have one, since if you have to go pick the baby up, you'll need one to get him/her/them home
Posted by: caltechgirl at October 20, 2005 10:32 AM (/vgMZ)
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Oh, I got one of those a long time ago.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 20, 2005 10:52 AM (LNv50)
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Margi is preggers, but I don't think she'd sell
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How about a long-term lease? I'll have to ask her.
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This is the best news I've heard in a long, long time.
Congratulations, to you both.
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Congratulations!
Parenthood is terrifying, but don't let that stop you from being deliriously happy, too!
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October 19, 2005
Question: Is This Offensive?
For those who can tolerate a little porn, check out
this post. Then read Bullwinkle's comment below it.
Are the pictures offensive? Is the remark?
In a heterosexual context, how does your relationship with the opposite sex inform your opinion?
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The pictures? Not offensive. Not original.
The remark? Stupid, not original, and offensive.
Your bonus question? Hmmm. I don't think it makes a difference. The way you feel about it is just a reflection of you. One's personal experiences are too narrow a sample to generalize/extrapolate. But that doesn't stop people from doing just that, of course. I assume you believe Bullwinkle spends a lot of time moose-turbating?
Posted by: Darrell at October 19, 2005 11:59 AM (gtoU7)
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1) No. 2) Not offensive to me personally, just stupidly immature.
3) I have to step back from myself a second to consider that one. How? Well for the first question, I dearly love the female form and female sensuality. But for those who fear that softcore porn "objectifies" women, I'd have to say not necessarily. Is it the depiction or is it the viewer? I'd have to say it has much more to do with the viewer and their ability (or lack thereof) to relate to the opposite sex. In the complete absence of porn, I think certain men would still objectify the women around them.
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 19, 2005 08:09 PM (xdX36)
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The Cotillion women had a spirited discussion about this (off-line, of course). Some were more bothered by the porn, and some more by the remark.
Some felt that the pictorial showed men don't care if a woman's bustline is enhanced. (Which, of course, many don't. They just don't want to know about it if it is.) I rather imagined that with most of those pictures, the man's eyes gratitate closer to the model's hips--but I could be wrong.
Neither the pictorial nor the remark bothered me very much, so I was wondering if I'm a freak as a female, and what my readers (male and female, libertarian and hard-right) would think.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 19, 2005 08:24 PM (LNv50)
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The pictures are not offensive. The remark is ignorant.
Posted by: chuck at October 19, 2005 09:08 PM (R/J3m)
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I sort of understand how the remark could have bothered people who don't know me but nobody who actually knows me would think a thing of it. It's hard to hear irony when you're reading it. It's also hard to believe that women don't understand that for the majority cases it's a reversal of the male/female roles. FOR THE MOST PART* guys wants a woman with a hot body, women look for men with a nice car, job, and bank account. Considering the fact that I rarely ever drink and don't sit around "moosterbating" like some would like to think and the pictures were actually collected for me by Bullwinklette so I could go fishing I think the whole thing has been blown out of porportion.
*Before someone jumps down my throat over this read, re-read, lather, rinse, and repeat until that part sinks in.
Posted by: bullwinkle at October 19, 2005 09:14 PM (mFhpu)
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Well, I don't think you are a typical woman...Isn't that why you blog? And why we read? I wouldn't use "freak"....
I'll share a not-too-secret "secret" of the male sex. We all think about sex the first time we meet a woman. We think about having sex and imagine what you would look like naked. Then we go on from there--maybe place our coffee order or take our orders for the day. That's the way our brains are wired. The process may stop if we decide we are not interested. Of course, it can start again if we see something we like-- like the fire in your eyes, your smile, your unique expressions, or a line or curve on your body. There. Not all guys will own up to it at first, but it's always the case. We start out thinking that we're the only ones that do this. We learn otherwise. Women have told me that they don't think this way, and I don't have any evidence to dispute it. Many men learn to treat women well in spite of this. But don't think for a second it isn't there. Maybe women should tell us now and again "Thank you for not being a jerk!" It would be something...
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I rather imagined that with most of those pictures, the man's eyes gratitate closer to the model's hips--but I could be wrong.
Perceptive. 'Specially the nice derriere.
It's hard to hear irony when you're reading it.
Naw, it's just one of those dumb guy things we normally never let outside the locker room (where the Cotillion can't masticate it to death.) We're not supposed to let on that the yakking and needy communication part gets to be a bit much sometimes.

I think it's a bit ironic that some women should get so exercised at the revelation that men seem to enjoy just looking at attractive, sensual women, when they themselves spend so much time and energy obsessing over their own appearance.
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 19, 2005 09:57 PM (xdX36)
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Not offended by the pictures, but not very turned on by them either. She's not my type, I go more for the "girl-next-door" look than the Barbi look. It's about as sexy as an anatomy textbook: fun to look at but not what I get my rocks off on.
Not offended by the comment, either. It wasn't terribly classy, but I'm sure it was a joke and jokes aren't always classy.
As a flaming hetero, I appreciate all sorts of things about women. I enjoy seeing them in all manner of dress/undress. I've had many very good friends that were women, and appreciate their different perspective and sense of humor: I think most (but definitely not all) of my female friends would take a comment like that in context asnd see it for the joke it was. Quite a few of them would be ready to follow it up with an equivilent joke about men.
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Hey. That's an idea. I could start a category on "dumb guy humor," alienate a bunch of people, generate a few minor blog wars, and watch my traffic go through the roof!
I think we're on to something, Seth.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 20, 2005 04:32 AM (LNv50)
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First off as you can imagine the pictures weren't offensive. No straight male is going to tell you he is offended by a relatively classy photo shoot of an attractive woman. the comment was an off hand kind of thing that you might hear if a group of guys were standing around. there is atleast one in a group that feels the need to say something witty or off color. That being said I do agree with Beth but I also understand one thing. Its his blog and he can do and say what he wants. It is part and parcel of his personality. Beth knows that her style just as his style may alienate some people but when you begin to take your blog so seriously that it doesnt convey your personality then what you have is a bland product that not even you the blogger is comfortable with. Id save the porn for a porn site. They are not all that hard to find. Just look in the comments section of some of my old posts. Those spammin ba$%ards.
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Posted by: bullwinkle at October 20, 2005 09:18 AM (mFhpu)
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Let me ask something, why is it that the multitude of catalogues and the avalche of advertising is never condidred to be demeaning to men? Think about it...in those Martha Steward-esque pubs(Domestications, Chadwicks etc on the catalogue front & the innumerable "living" magazines published monthly always make it looks as if no man would ever be allowed to tread in those areas?
Yes, they treat the men as objects, either as reproductive accesories tossed out when the sperm is delivered so one can have he perfect nursery or just imple ATM to dispense the cash necessary to buy the perfect bed set with matching shams and dust ruffle. Woe betide the male in said houe that leaves the seat up accidentally or *gasp* leaves an item of clothing on the floor to mar its perfection!
Those showpieces trumpeted as ideals are just as plastic as the hussy of the second and jsut as damaging to the "family", for exactly the same reason. But guess which one will be dispalyed on a coffee table?
Posted by: MunDane at October 20, 2005 09:34 AM (Bi4Gu)
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I understand. But I'm really sorry that my post renewed a conflict that I thought was over.
Why? Because I suspect that on days other than Fridays, you might still enjoy some of BW's blog. And that when he isn't on the defensive, he might like yours.
I hate to be the hippie, here, but think we're better off figuring out why we have such different reactions to sexy pictures and ironic remarks.
If I've done my job right, you're both now a lot more angry at me than you are at each other
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 20, 2005 10:40 AM (LNv50)
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I hope Hubby doesn't feel too bad about that
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 20, 2005 11:20 AM (LNv50)
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No, YOU didnÂ’t get what I was talking about. I get the whole idea that men looking at naked women makes us beasts and leads to the downfall of the modern family, allows Robert Byrd to be re-elected in WVa, makes baby Jeebus cry and, frankly, makes the whole womenÂ’s movement sound like the Greens talking about the IC engine.
The fact is both the home decorating magazines and the mainstream skin mags appeal to exactly the same feelings in the opposite sexes. Both are appealing, using highly ornamentalized and airbrushed photos, to the reproductive centers of the brain. Both completely leave the reality of the world in the dust, and treat the flesh-and-blood members of the opposite sex as mere clutter, unworthy of notice.
Men look at the women in Playboy or FHM or the Sport Illustrated Swimsuit Issue with a sort of “Wow…she is pretty gorgeous. I wish my wife/girlfriend/blow up doll looked like her” attitude. Forgetting, or worse disparaging, the real life they have for the fantasy. They occasionally say, inside, “I wish my significant female other looked like this.” Even worse when they blame their significant other for NOT looking like that. Run that by Beulah Mae.
Which is exactly what women do with the decorating magazines. Look in any one of them. Some room, bereft of people, that there is no way that it could be part of a normal house. Then they go and list the things that are shown in there, as if you could make it look like that with a normal home life. Nope, those photos of that Colonial four poster bed with 7pc Egyptian cotton (440 thread count, dontcha know!) comforter set never make any women, ever, look at their Mervyn/T.J. Maxx/Target bed set and say, “I wish my bedroom looked like that!” Even worse when they blame their significant other for NOT making enough to support purchasing the like from Sferra Bros, the pig!
Both hold real life in a sort-of contempt, a “well, I guess I have to settle for this…” malaise that creates topics for daytime talk shows and employment for Wymyns Studies professors. The craving for this artificial perfection presented in those men’s magazines has long been decried.
But take a look at those rooms featured in decorating magazines. Usually they present the same style of lighting, the same kind of glossy, flaw free unrealistic object in soft focus. But like I said, one will be displayed on a coffee table, or at least openly in a home. The other, is sneered at at best and called criminal at worst.
Posted by: MunDane at October 20, 2005 03:00 PM (KqTqH)
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Heh, yep. Men get objectified too, but for a completely different reason. Measured by our purchasing power and status. Doubt it? How many of you women would honestly consider marrying and subsequently supporting a starving artist sort, even one that was handsome and treated you like a princess? If you're honest, that skinny wallet will stop you cold every time.
Men and women are looking for different things, but for essentially the same reason. There's no sense in pretending it's apples and oranges. It all goes back to optimizing the chances of one's offspring in the gene pool.
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 20, 2005 08:24 PM (xdX36)
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My husband was broke when I fell in love with him! (But he wasn't when we married.)
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Important difference.
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October 18, 2005
Time to Vote Again!
We're down to four finalists in the "dishy conservative guys" competition. Naturally, I didn't vote because I don't approve of this sort of thing. Still, I'm hoping Beth posts more
pix.
'Cause how can it hurt?
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I don't know if I would make the "dishy conservative guy cut" but I did want to pass along a video I made supporting Arnold and his upcoming special election.
Look it over and feel free to let me know what you think.
http://www.misterpolitics.com/videos.asp
Thanks a bunch,
Misterpolitics
www.misterpolitics.com
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October 17, 2005
Which Is More Important
. . . to a President's legacy?—the selection of a Supreme Court nominee, or how he conducts foreign/military policy in light of a threat from abroad?
It's a serious question. Not a rhetorical one.
Please discuss.
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Consistently doing what is right...hmmm? A fine legacy for anyone. Too bad we don't yet know Miers like the President does! Our loss!
Posted by: Darrell at October 18, 2005 12:02 PM (HpMjH)
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at October 18, 2005 12:17 PM (wDJE+)
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Legacy is what a president might consider as part of doing his job, but not to consider his legacy instead of doing the job. A Supreme Court judge is not going to make a legacy unless it is the first woman, or the first black, or the first hispanic. Most of the judges on the 1973 Court were put there by a Republican president, that is not a legacy. Earl Warren was put on the bench as Supreme Court Chief Justice by Eisenhower, the legacy of Roe is the legacy of the court, not any president. Now, foreign policy makes the legacy of any president, and the lack of it is part of the failure of Clinton. Like McKinley, Teddy Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, FDR, Truman, and Eisenhower, their legacy is strongly defending our nation and strong international policy. Therefore, from history, the Bush 43 legacy will be his foreign policy, not any judge. And the most important part of history will be when Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice become our next president and that will be part of Bush's legacy.
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Foreign/military policy by a nose. What he is doing now can have serious long term consequences to the safety of the USA.
SCOTUS is important, but, rulings can be overturned.
Unless Bush gets a third pick. Then, which is most important may change.
Posted by: William Teach at October 19, 2005 07:33 AM (eSZb/)
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And remember, Earl Warren bused his kids across town so they would not have to attend school with Mexicans. He used State owned limos to do it.
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I'd say foreign policy. The average person doesn't get too wonky about the SCOTUS, but they have at least a passing appreciation for foreign affairs.
On top of that: we remember the justices who make the decisions while on the court, not the President who appoint them. Likewise with foreign policy: we remember the Presidents who were in charge at the time.
Posted by: Seth Williams at October 20, 2005 01:00 AM (gZ11W)
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"Post a comment? Remember: Be polite. Attack ideas, not people."
How appropriate for someone adopting the name "Attila!" he was known to always have admonished his soldiers, "attack buildings, not people."
It seems today that presidents don't have legacies, which arrive naturally, fairly or not, by the prodcess of people looking back. Today, presidents have libraries.
Maybe Bush will refuse.
My statement. His legcy will determind by what iraq looks like 25 years from now, and maybe bywhat the Middle East looks like. he has taken a huge gamble in foillowing the old liberal notion that we should pay any price, bear any burden in the defence of liberty anywhere in the world. If it fails, the consequences will be grave, both for America and the world. But if it succeeds, we may be in for a global golden era.
Just in case, make sure your children learn Chinese.
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Great comments, and good to see so many people agree that foreign policy is the most important part of any presidential legacy. Now that so many nations in the Middle East have already made major changes in the past 2 years, like Syria finally getting out of Lebanon, Arafat died and his corruption stopping poisoning his own people to feed his hatred of Jewish people so the Palestinians might have a chance to create their own nation, Kuwait has a First Lady (wife of the Emir) who is standing up for the right of women to be full citizens, along with other Middle East nations making changes for the better, I can only hope to see some more improvements over the next 2 years. Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians have been murdered by the thugs trying to sabotage their own nation, and Secretary Rice is correct that it will be the political process which will help resolve the differences, along with training the Iraqi military and police to stop the kidnapping, and the murders to destabilize Iraq. A lot can improve over the next 2 years, and if we can get the newspapers to report the good stuff, we have a chance to show we got rid of a tyrant, put into place a representative government, and stabilized a horrible place after 30 long years.
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Glenn Reynolds,
on the success of the Iraqi election Saturday: "I can remember when
Afghanistan was a quagmire."
Indeed.
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Stop the War on Drugs.
Right. Fucking.
Now.
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I'm sure you want to legalize it until "a brain dead, living with their parents at 32 slams into the side of your vehicle while running a red light" meets you. I smoked pot through most of my youth. I am glad that some how God was able to get my attention enough to get me to stop. It should always be illegal regardless of how many are arrested because of it. If the murder, rape, home invasion rate became to high, should we legalize it?
I normally enjoy your posts, not this one.
Posted by: Andrew at October 17, 2005 07:58 PM (w0jgg)
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Oh give us a break. So we should all learn from YOUR mistakes?
How arrogant.
Why not make the same argument about alcohol?
Or maybe you would, if it were currently illegal.
Posted by: Jeff G at October 17, 2005 09:31 PM (58QEf)
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Mixed feelings on this one...I did find it funny that no one mentioned the possibility that the police were acting on information and looking for a lot more than 8 grams. Maybe even had surveillence. Warrants aren't issued willy-nilly. The charges? Well, it's something... If they're going to be clever(or receive a tip), the bad guys should be thorough....Maybe Martha can use this as a practice stunt on her "Apprentice" clone. Your task--get rid of the evidence before the police arrive. I will be using the "white glove"...
Posted by: Darrell at October 17, 2005 09:35 PM (vPWaJ)
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I'm sorry, Andrew: I think the drunk guy who still lives with his parents is going to do you more damage than the stoned guy who still lives with his parents.
Right now I'm abusing carbohydrates. Should we make Wheaties illegal? You could save me from myself, you know.
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October 16, 2005
Cool.
A smart-ass guy in med school
blogs his experiences.
Via Ilyka, who's off getting her cyber-gender reassignment surgery at present.
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JibJab Takes on Wal-Mart and Costco
Big Box Mart is the first short
JibJab has made that doesn't strike out at both sides of a given issue. It's a provocative little piece about trade, and how our addiction to cheap goods affects the American economy. It's protectionist, sure; however, the butt of the joke is called "Big Box Mart," which implies not just the reflexive lefty hatred of Wal-Mart, but also criticism of the "bix box" stores such as Costco (where my "enlightened" friends go to save money).
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If you read "The Agenda" by Bob Woodward, it shows how Hillary Clinton was on the board of directors for Wal-Mart in Arkansas, where is have been shown how she helped the company set into place the system to get tax incentives and other ways to escape most of their tax obligations. So I find it quite ironic that the Democrats today whine and complain about the power of Wal-Mart, its wealth, not forming unions, health insurance problems, discrimination of women. If the Democrats had been involved in setting up a good plan for Wal-mart (including Hillary) from the beginning instead of how to use loopholes, they might have something to be proud of. Here we are 10 years later, with Democrats/liberals/tree huggers/environmentalists/anti-business people still complaining about Wal-Mart. Now remember, it was the Democrats in charge of that little town which tried to take away the homes of people to make way for condos and business to generate more tax revenue. The Supreme Court ruled with the liberals and the moderates on the side against property rights, so if you all want to be mad, be mad at the Democrats. Do some research, get the facts, don't just pop off with emotion based on what you think is the way it is. And if you don't like Wal-Mart, don't shopt there and stand up against them building in your area. People have stopped it from sucking all the business away from small town business, and protecting land areas from water problems with too much run-off water displaced by the vast acres of concrete. Good stuff to discuss, Miss Attila.
Posted by: Crystal Dueker at October 16, 2005 07:26 AM (6krEN)
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A whole slew of big box stores tried it the last 25 years but didn't make it. Walmart seems to have it right, but even they have no guarantee. Just airlines have guarantees.
Posted by: Walter E. Wallis at October 16, 2005 12:08 PM (wDJE+)
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I like Wal-Mart because they give me a good price without making me buy 2-3 times the quantity I need. At Costco it's easy to go in, spend half my month's grocery money, and not check everything off on the shoppng list. Then I have to store the extra.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 16, 2005 03:44 PM (LNv50)
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Anyone seriously interested in offshoring issues should read "End of the Line" by Barry Lynn. I don't mostly agree with his policy prescriptions, but it's a far more intelligent analysis than most of the stuff written on the subject.
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Americans do not want to work the assembly line jobs that are required to make the goods that stock the WalMart shelves. Not even for a "living wage". If we really wanted the jobs to stay in the US, a robust guest worker program could go a long way toward keeping the factories here instead of over there.
I cringe whenever I have to venture into WalMart for something, but at least I recognize that it is just classist snootiness and not some pretend "principle" that makes me feel that way. If these so-called "compassionate" liberals were really so compassionate, they'd realize that WalMart does a great service to the lower and middle class by providing goods that they could not easily afford at the boutique shops and specialty stores the leftists seem to be so eager to preserve.
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 16, 2005 09:48 PM (xdX36)
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DesertCat..."Americans do not want to work the assembly line jobs"--I don't think this is really true. Why would assembly line jobs in a well-run factory be less desirable than retail jobs at Burger King, Wal-Mart, or even Best Buy?
I visited the BMW assembly plant in South Carolina not too long ago. They said that there is a long waiting line of people who would like to work there, and that a new employee can be making about $50K after a couple of years (which I think includes modest overtime)..this in a fairly low cost-of-living area.
Bear in mind also that a manufacturing facility typically involves much more than assembly-line jobs. There are highly skilled trades, such as tool-and-die makers, and knowledge workers, such as production planners and industrial engineers.
Posted by: David Foster at October 17, 2005 07:54 AM (7TmYw)
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Because I've worked in my share of factories doing assembly work a few decades ago. There is nothing more mind-numbing and grinding than assembling widgets for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. We're not talking about BMW plants here (last time I checked, Walmart doesn't carry high end sports cars...). High end products can command enough of a premium to make the jobs to produce them very attractive. Walmart specializes in affordable consumer goods.
Having engineers and toolmakers and production planners does not negate the fact that some poor schmuck has to insert Tab A into Slot B over and over and over and over and over and over and...
Try it sometime. You'll see what I mean. If I had to choose between the two, I would far rather stock shelves or help someone pick out a new computer component at Best Buy than to ever do assembly work again. I am an Engineer now for a very good reason.
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 17, 2005 08:32 AM (xdX36)
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We've brought in more jobs than we've offshored. That's a net gain in jobs.
Plus we get cheap chips and DVD players, and eighteen colors of lycra stretch pants.
Screw JibJab.
Posted by: Jeff G at October 17, 2005 06:51 PM (58QEf)
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Desert Cat...thanks for the comments. i'd observe that there are lots of people whose skills and interests aren't primarily verbal, and who would not be a good fit for the sales floor at Best Buy. True, there *are* some possibilities for such people in the retail industry, for example, working in the distribution center. But is running a forklift at a retail distribution center really a better job than running a forklift at the parts receiving department in a factory? or better than an assembly job at that factory?
My main point is that the distinction between "manufacturing" and "service" is not a good proxy for the distinction between "good jobs" and "bad jobs." There are plenty of good and bad jobs in both areas (bearing in mind, of course, that "good" and "bad" has a lot to do with individual skills and interests)
Posted by: David Foster at October 17, 2005 08:14 PM (7TmYw)
Posted by: Jeff G at October 17, 2005 09:32 PM (58QEf)
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Yes to the forklift job being superior to the assembly job. That position would be coveted in most factories by the drones on the lines. Sure some people are better suited for certain jobs than others, but I never knew anyone who dreamed of their first assembly line job following graduation. Everyone I knew had higher aspirations for themselves. Some of them worked out, some of them didn't. Some like me had to take that kind of work until other things panned out. No one looked forward to thirty-five years of service at the plastics extrusion plant. There was a good reason that place was staffed mostly by temps.
I agree with you regarding the false distinction. Technically engineering could be considered a "service sector" job, as I am not actually producing the final product (though I often oversee those who do).
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 17, 2005 10:38 PM (xdX36)
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Screw JibJab. Funny but essentially stupid and off the mark in this case.
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 17, 2005 10:40 PM (xdX36)
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Hang on. Before we screw JibJab completely, how do you feel about their statement on the destructive nature of consumerism for some people? That is, if you remove the (implied) political and economic arguments from the short, does it still have something to say about Western culture, and unhealthy use of unsecured credit?
Can we just give JibJab a blowjob until we sort this out?
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 17, 2005 11:14 PM (LNv50)
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October 15, 2005
You Can Blow Out a Candle . . .
but you can't blow out
a fire.
[/Peter Gabriel]
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If They Really Wanted to Have Fun
. . . they'd pick someone of
Indian extraction. Or a black man.
As a little girl I was mystified by the appeal of Sean Connery: he looked to me like Richard Nixon, with that prominent nose. I just didn't get it.
Years later, I understood that it was the accent, and the way he carries himself.
But when I was seven years old, I had trouble seeing how he could be considered good-looking.
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He does have a cool-ass accent -
"Yesh. Bond. Jamesh Bond. I'll have a martini. Shaken not shtirred."
Posted by: Daniel at October 17, 2005 09:10 PM (CIevl)
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I remember that when they were looking to replace Timothy Dalton (Pierce Brosnan wound up with the gig), Denzel Washington was considered for the role. For about five minutes, that is. They dropped that idea like a hot potato. I guess the producers thought that the Anglosphere would revolt if a black guy got the gig.
Posted by: Daniel at October 17, 2005 09:28 PM (CIevl)
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There are a ton of dishy black British guys. I'd start there.
Still--the Indian-British connection is so strong that a native Brit whose parents were Indian would be fabulous.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 17, 2005 11:17 PM (LNv50)
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Ah, Iraq.
Via con
Dios.
[Feel free to correct my Spanish, but I think the sentiment is clear.]
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I believe it's
Vaya con Dios, as in -
"Vaya con Dios, my darling...." (Les Paul and Mary Ford, I think?)
The Iraqis definitely went with God. And democracy, too. The Left have been gnashing their teeth for the last two days and counting......
Posted by: Daniel at October 17, 2005 09:41 PM (CIevl)
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Yeah. Jeff Goldstein ventured over to some of the lefty blogs on Saturday: crickets chirping.
As you can see, I failed French and German a few times but never got around to failing Spanish.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 17, 2005 11:19 PM (LNv50)
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I'm Up, Maybe for the Night
According to my insomnia book, aspirin may be a sleeping aid. Although it doesn't help with the onset of sleep, it assists with "maintenance." I'll give it a shot tomorrow night, and perhaps I won't wake up after three hours.
I need to leave in a few hours for the West Side, where I'm going to be attending a few service meetings for my church group. Fortunately, they have coffee there, and fruit/bagels.
I liked being a calm, seemingly happy person with minimal dark rings under my eyes. Now I get to be ugly and bitchy again. Oh, bother. Still, as problems go, these aren't what I'd call Big.
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LMA, maybe you should embrace your bitchy side occasionally?
I know what you mean. I prefer being a thoughful person, rather than thoughtless.
Hopes for your rest.
Posted by: Rae at October 15, 2005 06:54 AM (4YdLE)
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Now you have me worrying about your stomach! It never ends! Be careful. Try enteric-coated aspirin if you insist. Once problem start, they're hard to get rid of... I speak from experience.
Posted by: Darrell at October 15, 2005 03:07 PM (YJmNO)
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Actually, my digestive system is the one part of me that thrives on neglect.
Genetics, you know: mom has a cast-iron stomach too.
There are odd benefits, such as being able to eat a sandwich while looking at forensics shows, complete with pix of dead bodies.
But I'm not a big aspirin fan. Ulcers = no more spicy food. So I'm still likely to be cautious.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 15, 2005 06:51 PM (LNv50)
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Is this the result of giving up the sleeping pills?
Posted by: k at October 15, 2005 10:20 PM (6krEN)
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I'm still tapering, taking less than full doses. But, yes--it's the result of deciding that I want Ambien/triazolam to be for emergencies only, rather than a steady thing.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 16, 2005 03:52 AM (LNv50)
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At this moment I have 1 mg of melatonin and another 3mg time-release melatonin tab in my belly. I've been struggling with insomnia since I returned from my trip, and now I'll be sawing logs hard within a half-hour or so.
Great stuff, natural and not habit-forming, plus a slew of positive side effects. I mentioned L-tryptophan previously, but I've decided it is overkill for my particular situation. Melatonin for me is a more measured response.
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 16, 2005 09:53 PM (xdX36)
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What do you think about this new Rx Lunesta? Supposedly non-habit forming, approved for long-term use, what have you.
ps, LMA - Certainly, this is a Big Enough thing. There's always someone somewhere worse off - and better off, of course. Sometimes I think the "comparative suffering" thing falls in the same rut as human perfectability. I'm no more fond of that concept than you are.
Ie.: You deserve to get this under control, and to be a truly calm and happy person with only minimal rings under your eyes.
Posted by: k at October 17, 2005 02:03 PM (ywZa8)
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Thank you. I've heard mixed reviews on Lunesta: apparently it's easier on the body than Ambien (or at least it's not as strong a drug, FWIW). For some people it appears to work really well, but the side effect of "bad taste in the mouth" is intolerable for others. There are some who simply can't enjoy food at all when they're on it. Supposedly, taking it with a full glass of water, never splitting the pill up, and using mints throughout the day help.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 17, 2005 03:35 PM (LNv50)
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BTW, I thought tryptophan was illegal now . . .?
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 17, 2005 11:21 PM (LNv50)
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"Can't enjoy food at all when they're on it?!?"
AAAUUUGGGGHHHH!!!!!
I had NO idea.
Cross that one off my list, I would.
Posted by: k at October 18, 2005 07:21 PM (M7kiy)
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Well, if the gameplan were to keep taking pills, I might look into it--after all, some people don't experience that "icky taste in the mouth" thing. But I'm hoping that with a little exercise, sunlight, and tenacity I can get free of tranqulizers entirely.
Half doses are too abrupt, though: I just bought a pill splitter/crusher, so I can be my own compounding pharmacist.
I have a friend who's considering going cold turkey, but I get cranky on less than six hours of sleep, and I want to make the transition as easy as I can.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 18, 2005 08:29 PM (LNv50)
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When Writers Argue
"I was not being sarcastic; I was merely being a bit ironic.
You were being sarcastic, and that isn't nice."
This is the next level, after the "I didn't imply; you inferred" argument.
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Further proof that writers never leave the sandbox! Their vocabulary does grow, though...
Posted by: Darrell at October 15, 2005 03:08 PM (YJmNO)
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James Thurber penned a great, very funny article about that, "The Porcupines in the Artichokes."
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 15, 2005 06:52 PM (LNv50)
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As long as you don't read "The Darlings at the Top of the Stairs" before you adopt!
Posted by: Darrell at October 15, 2005 08:51 PM (rAwQd)
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It's okay: the kids are only armed with blackjacks, golf clubs, and .32-caliber "automatics."
My husband and I have awesome martial arts skills—and much bigger guns.
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 16, 2005 03:59 AM (LNv50)
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Not to mention you don't sleep! Hidden blessings everywhere!
Posted by: Darrell at October 16, 2005 08:20 AM (DGAEA)
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I used to sneak out at night when I was a teenager. It was easy to do.
My child won't have that luxury
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 16, 2005 03:46 PM (LNv50)
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Please excuse me for going off-topic...Sox Win! Too long a wait not to share! Feel free to celebrate with me, even if you are an Angels fan.
You are a good mom! Get used to hearing those words....Excuse me if I take some happiness from them, too! I'll start my prayers now!
Posted by: Darrell at October 16, 2005 09:10 PM (zseM/)
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Thank you. I'm not terribly good about following sports, but i know my husband is really thrilled. First time in nearly half a century, no?
Posted by: Attila Girl at October 17, 2005 01:44 PM (LNv50)
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Yep, their last appearance was 1959 against the Dodgers. You have to go back to 1917 for their last Series win. We'll forget about 1919...
Posted by: Darrell at October 17, 2005 09:22 PM (vPWaJ)
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October 14, 2005
Hubris has
. . . the
cutest kids
in the world.
Except for my nephews, of course—and in that case my perception is doubtless related to my biologically determined role as the Warrior Aunt who will need to destroy anyone who gets in their way. Woe be unto the first girls who break their hearts, once they become [gasp!] teenagers!
My nephew will be in Midsummer Night's Dream this year, and I'll be checking the audience, monitoring who claps and who does not. I may have to pistol-whip a few folks.
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Nicest link ever, thank you.
my biologically determined role as the Warrior Aunt who will need to destroy anyone who gets in their way
Heh.
The play should be cute as heck. Get some pics if you can!
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I think this play will definitely going to rock.
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Nice Defense
. . . of Miers, in the form of an infamous
takedown of NRO by Beldar.
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