May 30, 2005
"Happy Memorial Day"
Goldstein has your
holiday dialogue between self and soul (or, in his case, between him and his fictitious deadbeat neighbor).
Conclusions from his comments section: we can remember those who have sacrificed to keep this country free, and then grill chicken and listen to the Steve Miller Band.
And, in my particular case, celebrate having married the funniest guy on earth eight years ago this weekend. (The actual anniversary was Tuesday, but I like to think the whole weekend is an extended celebration of this groovy thang we got goin'.)
Pray and reflect in the morning; fire up the grill in the afternoon. There's room for both.
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Trackback didn't seem to work. Here's my post, and HAPPY, HAPPY Mem Day to you.
http://sisu.typepad.com/sisu/2005/05/swords_into_plo.html
Posted by: Sissy Willis at May 30, 2005 03:52 AM (N6LnR)
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I celebrated the day by conquering the world about 3 times in a computer sim game called "civilization".
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May 29, 2005
Fred Thompson 2008?
Instapundit
writes:
Several readers email to say that a Thompson/Rice, or a Rice/Thompson, ticket would suit them just fine for 2008. The GOP could do worse. And probably will!
Weren't we just talking about the general ineptness of the Republican leadership? Glenn's probably right, sad to say.
But putting Thompson on the ticket would be a smart, smart move. People love that man: even liberals find themselves responding to his conservative character on Law & Order.
If I were a democrat, I'd be very afraid of Thompson and Rice—no matter who was at the top of the ticket. I'd be happier to have Rice there as VP versus not being on the ticket at all.
These people are gold.
Here's the man behind the "draft Thompson" campaign, and here's your portal to the "draft Condi" movement.
Grass roots, baby. Get on it.
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Thanks for the links.
Dr. Rice is without doubt the "Best and the Brightest" among us. It is, of course, to be seen whether she has the desire or the bent for politics in the trenches. Sen. Thompson would make a V.P. to be feared (ala Dick Cheney) by the opposition.
I would also consider Sen. George Allen and a wild card; Peggy Noonan.
Posted by: Mr.Kurtz at May 29, 2005 09:43 AM (gcy/f)
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I love Peggy Noonan, but she has no experience with the decision-making side of the executive branch. She's a writer: too much Spock, not enough Captain Kirk.
I want people in the White House and the VP's mansion who can act decisively when the need arises, rather than pen beautiful essays about why they did what they did after the fact.
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Posted by: Mr.Kurtz at May 29, 2005 10:15 PM (SMI2I)
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Won't fly. The Religious Right holds veto power over the primaries
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Won't fly?!?!? You don't get any farther right than me, religious or otherwise, and I just got a wet spot in my pants thinking about a Thompson/Rice ticket!
Posted by: Don at May 30, 2005 08:08 PM (FsGoB)
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I think Dr. Rice may be in a special category: the way she conducts herself conveys a high level of religious faith, and I believe many Christians (both Catholic and Protestant) are likely to believe that her "technically pro-choice" position is one of integrity, that she places individual conscience as a supreme value. There is still an underlying sense that abortion is deeply repugnant to her, and that she'd like to see more restrictions on it.
Of course, in light of the abortion issue Thompson might be best suited to the head of the ticket, leaving Rice as the VP candidate.
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In the realpolitik of America at large, it would have to be Rice/Thompson. Y'have to short-circuit the disgusting racial and gender-oriented rhetoric the DemonCreeps will trott out involuntarily about a black woman "being at the back of the bus" while they run a woman for the top slot.
But Mr. Atrocities is unfortunately correct. The flyover country caucas will not allow any candidate even VAGUELY pro-choice to get nominated. That's their third rail and the single issue for which they'd be willing to torpedo GOP chances of victory, any more tolerant "values conservative" bloggers who are pro-Condi notwithstanding.
If Denzel Washington were a conservative with at least one term as Governator under his belt, the GOP could ensure 8 years of Oval Office dominance, but they're not bright enough to search for a guy like that, busy as they are playing Texas Two-Step with the snake-kissers.
Posted by: Ciggy at June 01, 2005 06:48 AM (q9YxC)
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Yanno I am new at this. Let me see if I have the drift of what's goin on. I live out here in "fly over country", so I doubt if I get it.
I read references to Denzel Washington, Fred Thompson, Peggy Noonan, Spock, Capt Kirk, and some extras like Cheney, Rice and Allen. So, obviously the choices for president are based on fantasy, tv movies and such. Here's a thought, perhaps we need a casting director to replace elections?
Posted by: jim b at June 02, 2005 07:44 AM (bOfJs)
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Jim, isn't that what we got with Ronald Reagan, who is now sorely missed by so many of us?
Posted by: Ciggy at June 03, 2005 07:36 AM (zs7kt)
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What precludes someone who has been an actor from being a good President? Reagan was governor of CA for 8 years, proving he could "govern" and implement an agenda, whether you agreed with that agenda or not. Does the fact that he or Thompson or Swarzeneger-I-can't-spell-his-name, were actors mean that they aren't also smart enough or able enough to govern and be President? Must we always have the "smartest" boys in the class (Carter, Clinton)...look what they brought us.. Lets judge potential candidates by their ideas, ideals, integrity, demeanor, professionalism, and ability to lead.
Posted by: HomericPundit at June 03, 2005 08:19 AM (S24bh)
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Reagan was Unique. I agree he was an original. He did possess ideas, ideals, integrity, demeanor, professionalism, and ability to lead. Over and above that he communicated directly with the people. He connected.
Thompson et all had a chance and fell short.
George Patton had those qualities as well, yet he would have been unacceptable as president for a list of reasons, starting with abrasive.
Most military leaders would dodge politics. The best leaders would not necessarilly make the best president.
Most actors would also suck. Arnold actually thinks he is a Republican for example. The vast majority are extreem liberals and fit only to play presidents on Left Wing, or Bullworth style productions.
What I really read into all this is a mutual desire for someone with charisma, and style, plus the abilitiy to inspire and lead, as being a thing desired by most.
Posted by: jim b at June 03, 2005 10:05 AM (bOfJs)
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I'm not sure that you can say definitively that "Thompson et al had a chance and fell flat".
Thompson was only a Senator from Tenn. And he hasn't run as a national candidate.
Swarzen... is a newbie governor...still too early to tell how effective he will be governing.
If Thompson runs for the Pres he will have to present his ideas etc for the electorate to judge. My only point is we shouldn't write him off just because he's been an "actor".
...I will grant the point however that most "actors" or others in the entertainment industry would "suck". However Reagan proves that there are always exceptions.
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It's the television age, and we need to be realistic about that. For example, we know that we no longer elect short guys, or guys with facial hair. The person has to photograph reasonably well.
And I agree that: 1) Thompson is relatively untested polically, and 2) no one should be written off because he/she has an acting background. (Actually, I mean "he." Our first female President/VP won't have any kind of a "novelty" background: only chicks with gravitas to burn [or Presidential spouses] need apply.)
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May 28, 2005
I Loved Erica Jong's Books
. . . when I was a teenager. She's a good fiction writer. But she may not belong in the blogging world. You decide: here's a
post she wrote in Huffington's blog regarding the preservation of embryos, and here's a
response to that by
Eugene Volokh, exposing the weaknesses in her argument.
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I second Mr. Volokh and seem to see some illustrations in Aristotle's Logical Fallacies of Irrelevant Conclusion.
Begging The Question: (Pre-supposes the conclusion)
"The political question here is obvious." Ie. BUSH said it - it's wrong.
(And I do think he's wrong on this.)
Non-sequitur: Blastocytes are dying because BUSH won't adopt them.
Fear: BUSH!
Ad Hominum: BUSH!
It is as if I were to argue the PETA plans an all-out campaign for the rights of bacteria and viruses.
Oh, wait...
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May 27, 2005
Star Wars: Episode III
Attila the Hub and I went to see
The Revenge of the Sith today, and it was reasonably good. I was unable to figure out what they would have called it if they had stayed with
The Revenge of the Jedi in the first trilogy. Would this then have to be entitled
The Return of the Sith? You should be glad you aren't me, and don't have to think these thoughts.
It's impossible not to feel a bit wistful, wondering what it would be like to see one of the prequels—this one especially—without knowing ahead of time how they come out. Why, oh why didn't Lucas tell the story the right way around? Well, you know. He just didn't.
And there's a certain annoyance factor in listening to Wookies make that noise they make, and being asked to watch sword fights between Yoda and regular-size people. Well, well, well. At least some of us got over being short, and it's too bad George Lucas isn't one of them. Talk about your wish fulfillment scenes.
But that all goes with the territory: it is Star Wars, after all. I've been watching these movies most of my life. It's bound to wear a person down.
And then there is the political subtext injected into this part of the story with a big on-the-nose needle: "only a Sith would think in black and white." The lefty lines were obvious, and didn't go too well with the rest of the story.
Jason Apuzzo writes in Libertas, the excellent blog by the Liberty Film Festival people:
So what is Episode III? The film is the story of young Anakin Skywalker’s temptation to the Dark Side, and his transformation into the monstrous Darth Vader - the villain who loomed so darkly over the original Star Wars trilogy. Yes, there are other aspects to the film, as have been widely publicized. Yes, there is a kind of muddled liberalism that occasionally escapes the mouths of characters - particularly in important moments, such as the final confrontation between Vader and his one-time friend and mentor, Obi-Wan Kenobi. Yes, Vader mouths lines in that moment that are clearly intended to echo President Bush’s “for us or against us” speech before Congress. But over the course of a 2hr. 20min. film - a film that still somehow feels rushed - these are annoying distractions rather than central components of the story. And I could not help but think as I watched them that these lines were planted precisely to provoke the faux-controversy that now engulfs the film - just another of Lucas’ marketing schemes, to go along with the Pez dispensers and inflatable chairs. [Buy this Wookie coffee mug and win a free on-line subscription to MoveOn.org!]
Revenge of the Sith lives or dies - and I believe lives - according to one central relationship in the story. Much as Return of the Jedi hinged on the fraught relationship between Luke Skywalker and his father, Sith revolves around the complex relationship between Anakin Skywalker and his mentor-cum-Mephistophelean tempter, Chancellor Palpatine. The best moments in the film - and by far the best moments in the entire prequel trilogy - come in the quiet, private moments between these two characters, as Palpatine weaves a complex web to ensnare his young charge. Critics have been right to praise Ian McDiarmid for his performance - Lucas and Hayden Christensen should also be praised for what they bring to this aspect of the drama. Much like Luke in The Empire Strikes Back, Anakin suffers from premonitions of harm to others. In Empire Luke fears for the lives of Leia and Han, tortured by Luke’s father in Cloud City. Luke’s fears lead him into a trap. In Sith, Anakin has nightmarish premonitions of his wife Padme’s death in childbirth. He shares these fears with Palpatine, who then tempts Anakin with promises of power over life and death - if only Anakin will succumb to the Dark Side, where such “unnatural” powers can be explored. Palpatine’s seduction is pure Garden of Eden stuff - tempting the young innocent with the ‘knowledge’ of good and evil.
I also found that central relationship interesting. It attempts to answer the question we've been asking since the first Star Wars trilogy: how does a good man turn to evil? And what else does it change about him? How, essentially, does this transformation occur? Some people find it impossible to believe that an impulse as good as wanting to save the life of a loved one could lead to a process of corruption so total, it drives a man mad with power. The film isn't without its flaws, but I do buy that central thesis: we can be corrupted by the decisions we make. I keep remembering a line from one of the Agatha Christie mysteries wherein Hercule Poirot proclaims, "we all know the effect of a murder on the victim. What interests me is the effect on the murderer." And all the best crime writers discuss this issue of moral decay: How a person could get there from here.
That's it. Our choices shape the world around us, but they also shape us. Perhaps not so quickly and dramatically as when Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader, but in other ways. And in real life it usually takes longer. I kept remembering, as I watched this story, about the corruption of Benedict Arnold: his marriage to a loyalist woman, his participation in loyalist society. Life's real seductions take months and years, unlike the speedier ones of a sexual nature. But it does appear to go quickly: next thing you know, you're asking George Washington for command of West Point with the intent of turning it over to the British.
Episode III accomplishes what it needs to. As my husband points out, watching it in the abstract would be rather like seeing The Two Towers on its own: vaguely unsatisfactory. As it is, we're seeing the last piece of a puzzle fall into place.
I kept expecting Obi-Wan to die, and remembering that of course he does not: he needs to stay alive, so he can become the Alec Guinness of my adolescence. The whole telling-a-story-inside-out approach is profoundly odd.
But the movie is visually compelling, and Jar-Jar Binks doesn't utter a word. So I'd call it a worthwhile way to spend the afternoon.
Someday I'd like to see them all, chronologically, within the same weekend—and really get a sense of how well the entire story fits together. Then I'd never have to watch any of them ever again: I'd be done.
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Everyone I know always says right after the movie, "anakin went to the dark side so quickly." Then, the next day, they all say, "Oh, now I get it." Everything leads up to that one point. All the fear, all the way back to Phantom when he is talking about being scared to leave his mother.
I loved it. Was awesome. I disagree with all those who thought it wasn't darker. It is a movie about tragedy, and, were Lucas to really make it that deep and dark, people would have been rather upset and dissatisfied, I believe.
And, yes, I am a total Star Wars geek. Even have a Sith bacground on my phone and PDA
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It all starts with, "I could do so much more good in the world, IF ONLY I HAD MORE POWER!" Then along comes the tempter-dude, with the power...
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Next thing you know, you're making seven figures and living in L.A. Being seen in all the right places, with the right people.
And it's all downhill from there.
Posted by: Attila Girl at May 28, 2005 11:15 PM (8e5bN)
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The politics? George Lucas, like any rich-self-righteous liberal, just had to pee in the water and mess things up for everyone. Thinking now a heavy he is, he had to inject his brand of politics into an otherwise harmless entertainment series. For another take on it, you might read the blog, Revenge Of The Silliest. It is at:
http://paxety.com/Archive/20050523ROTSMahone.html
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Actually I wondered how many other subplots Lucas stuffed into the third episode, such as:
- Palpatine's story to Anakin about Darth Plaegis who discovered how to stop death but couldn't save himself from his own apprentice - was the apprentice Palpatine?
- If that story holds true, then it makes a lot more sense how Anakin could finally betray the Emperor in Return of the Jedi - it's the circle come fully around
I do think Lucas overplayed his hand on "saving Padme", although you can see in the end how Anakin himself was betrayed by the Emperor. It would have been really interesting to know that Palpatine was planting those premonitions in Anakin's head from the get-go.
What was more interesting were the political machinations leading up to the destruction of the Jedi order - in a longer movie this would have been a better build-up to Anakin going to the dark side. I doubt Lucas did anything like the Lord of the Rings movies where there was extra material he packed into an extended edition.
If you want to fill in the cracks on the story, I guess you can either read the plethora of books out there that cover things in more detail. My kids also have the X-box game "Return of the Sith" which shows more about how Anakin does in the Jedi Temple, etc. It has a couple of alternative endings that are pretty cool, such as Anakin killing Obi-Wan and then whacking the Emperor...
Posted by: DC at May 31, 2005 07:53 AM (d3SmT)
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I'm not so sure the with me/against me is just a swipe at Bush:
Luke 11:23
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me, scatters."
In some ways the series parallels Christianity, where the Force is like the deep magic in the Chronicles of Narnia, and in other ways, as in the above, it stands in opposition to it. I suspect Lucas is exploring those ideas and does have a firm stand himself.
Posted by: Jon Cohen at May 31, 2005 09:33 AM (Gr6ja)
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I do think that most of the sith/Bush stuff is overblown. For the most part, Sith was filmed in the summer of 2003. Yes, enough time to get the Loon style stuff going, but, really, it all goes back to 1977.
Posted by: William Teach at May 31, 2005 09:46 AM (IRsCk)
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Actually, the storyline reminds me of lefty do-gooder types. They start with a perfectionist idea of how things should be. Then, when it doesn't work, they blame recalcitrant humans and start killing the ones in the way. This requires more and more power until you have Stalin or Pol Pot. Sith could well be about the seduction of the moral by the use of power to make a "perfect world." Seems to me that most perfectionist ideas have the seeds of such a conversion.
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I don't see why you have to read the "political" content as pro-liberal. The moral relativists (only the jedi are absolute, there is more than one way to look at good, etc) are the EVIL ones, after all.
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Oh, I'd say some of the comments were contemporary leftist in nature. Remember Padme saying they should just stop the fighting and let diplomacy work? Diplomacy is the magic word? Just be prepared to listen to the enemy and maybe they will stop wanting to kill you. Then again, with the sith lord running both sides, who is supposed to be listening to whom?
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The prequels are essentially a muddled mess:
*The Jedi tolerate and do not suppress slavery on Tatooine.
*The Jedi make no effort whatsoever to liberate one slave they know about personally (Anakin's mother).
*The Jedi reject family ties or emotions.
*The Sith operate on the principal of continual betrayal without much loyalty.
*The "Force" is essentially an inherited talent, forming a natural aristocracy and therefore anti-democratic.
*The old Republic has nothing between Clone mercenaries set up for evil deeds and a thin set of superheroes (Jedi). Citizen Soldiers are not in evidence.
*Slave labor is a marked dependency for everyone, whether it's droids or people.
It's only in the original movies that we see the formula for victory: ordinary people fighting for their freedom against tyrannies and a thin set of superheroes providing the critical difference.
As commentary on the human condition, Lucas is just all over the place.
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Lair Had a Rough Day.
Oh,
yeah.
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There needs to be some new thinking in this on the ground crap. I always figured that the up against was less threat than on the ground, cause on the ground can roll into feet. Any stop that does not result in an arrest must be explained and compensated.
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May 26, 2005
Undygate
I'm pretty much with
Jeff of BA on the "Saddam's tighty-whities" issue. Abu Ghraib was an embarrassment. But this? It's such a tiny sliver—a percentage of a percentage—vs. what the man deserves.
Military people can worry about the professionalism of those who sold these images to the British tabloids. But I'm at peace with it.
(And, off-topic: is that a great picture of Juliette on her home page, or what? I was two seats away from her when it was taken, and I was so happy when she replaced the old pic with it. She has a delicate beauty about her in person that I'd never seen anyone capture in a still before.)
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Delicate? :::snort::::
What are friends for but to make you feel gorgeous? :-)
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There was grossly inadequate. LodeStar a few rapids and
government grant information specialists.
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Health Update
Thanks for being so sweet, everyone: I'm better now.
I'm pretty convinced that I've had some kind of teensy lung inflammation, because for a lot of the day today I had that sort of sensation I associate with Whittier in the 70s, or the San Fernando Valley in the 80s: that kind of "oh-shit-I-can't-breathe-deep" sort of feeling. But the feeling is 95% gone.
Although I'm not so sure the problem was actually in my lungs. K's theory of pleurisy sounds close, but I was just never in too much pain. I was simply scared, because heart disease is the bogeyman under my bed: I've been hearing about Mr. Heart Disease all my life.
In the past few years my mother has taken to breaking her harangues about heart disease in order to mention that there's cancer on my father's side of the family, and I musn't forget to be terrified of Heart Disease's evil twin, Mr. Cancer. It's a wonder I've ever held down a job at all, what with this sitting around being petrified of heart disease and cancer.
It occurs to me that I've been so busy being afraid of heart disease and cancer, I haven't quite noticed that my actual weaknesses are my tender teeth, sensitive skin, and allergies—or that the realistic danger lies not in carrying nitroglycerin around with me, but having to wheel an oxygen tank everywhere I go in my old age.
Not that there aren't worse things, mind you. But sometimes our preconceived notions hold us back. I may have been fighting the wrong battles.
I like to think I'll somehow make that oxygen tank stylish, though: maybe I can get flames painted on mine, so it resembles the hot rods of old.
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I'm glad you are doing better, and hope everything comes out ok.
Stupid question: do you eat alot of oriental foods or stuff with MSG? Cause that can cause that type of pain. Feels like it is that heart and lungs. Happened to me a few years ago, scared the bejezzus out of me. Oh, and hurt like hell.
Get better, LMA!
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Nope. No msg. No dietary changes really, except that I've been carbing it up a bit more than necessary lately.
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Well, you get better, ya hear? Don't make me use my Sith powers!
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Oh, I'm better. I'm breathing just fine, and taking an extra antihistiamine each day just in case. I think it was just some sort of allergy-related side effect.
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It's an Ann-alanche!
I seem to have stumbled into a clique of elite
legal bloggers, and tripled my traffic in one day. (Seriously: it's at, like, pre-election levels.)
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May 25, 2005
If I Were Althouse,
I'd be filing that
restraining order against
Goldstein, not
Reynolds.
But, you know: it's her restraining order.
UPDATE: It was Allah! Dang! Goldstein points out that he would have worked the jail sex-angle. Which, of course, he would have. My mistake.
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Posted by: Sissy Willis at May 26, 2005 01:17 PM (7WFgX)
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If I did that Photoshop? I would have put Glenn's reflection in the glass table.
Amateurish. I spit on it.
And if I had written the copy? Well, let's just say the prison scene would have been a bit more "realized."
Posted by: Jeff G at May 26, 2005 04:24 PM (HmeM4)
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Right. Reynolds would have been live-blogging his jail r-a-p-e. Oops.
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Well. Got Out of Balancing My Checkbook.
I had strange chest pains today, and drove myself to the local hospital. Imagine the absurdity: a pre-menopausal non-smoking female in the emergency room complaining of chest pain. One who is 42 years old, but looks 35 or so. I might just as well have shown up and announced I was coming down with hypchondria.
But all my life my mother has drummed it into my head, after all the heart attacks her parents had, that I need to watch out for anything that looks remotely like cardiac illness. And my sister-in-law in the Bay Area has severe heart problems that went undiagnosed for years because they didn't "present" properly.
I wouldn't let my husband drive me; he has a "pitch" tomorrow for a children's television show that I think will be wonderful if the studio in question is smart enough to buy it. I took a book and my cell phone, and set out to make an ass of myself. (It turns out those items are the two most important things to take with you: if you have to choose, take the book.)
I was sort of hoping that the triage lady would check my blood pressure and send me home with some sort of stern words about wasting her time. But no: they drew blood, asked for a urine sample, stuck an IV needle into me (just in case) and hooked me up to a machine to monitor my pulse. The machine also took my blood pressure every 20 minutes or so, like some sort of cyborg nurse: the cuff would suddenly swell, and I was supposed to lie still until it got its reading and deflated iself.
They X-rayed me right there in the bed, and then took an EKG reading.
Everything is normal, though I was there for over four hours. (And it would have been much worse if I didn't live in such a sleepy little town.)
Eventually the nurse gave me what they call a "GI cocktail," which was supposed to make me better if the root cause were/is indeed some sort of upset tummy. I thought their disgusting potion was helping, though in retrospect the reasons I started to feel better afterward were probably 1) a desperate boredom, after I finished my book (make sure that you take something that's several hundred pages long, rather than a slim volume on the Roman Catholic liturgy)—which led to wishful thinking that the sensation was going away, and 2) the fact that I was flat on my back, and not using much oxygen. After all, it only hurts when I breathe deeply.
The worst of it is that I didn't wolf down the peanut butter protein bar I took along. (Make sure to gobble up your protein bar on the way to the hospital.) And now I've been instructed to stick with clear liquids for the rest of the evening. I'm on my second can of chicken broth, the last can of broth in the house.
I wanted to scream at them, "but don't you see? If I do just have an upset stomach, it's from not eating enough today. And now you're making it worse."
But I didn't. I'll hang on as long as I can, and when I do break, it'll be with something bland like rice. What a girl scout.
To my list of complaints about the human body, I'd like to add this one: there should be no such thing as "nonspecific chest pain." All sensations should be localized to a particular organ, rather than free-floating like this. If I have a tummyache, it should damn well feel like a tummyache."
The whole thing is probably a testament to my iron constitution: I so rarely have any kind of digestive problem that when I do it feels like the end of the world. Or at least like a heart attack.
It's been six hours. Isn't this odd?
If I ever do have a heart attack for real, though, I'll try to live-blog it: that would be cool.
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My dad was in his early 40's when he drove to the hospital over ill defined chest pains. Turns out he had an aorta aneurysm (what killed John Ritter) and it was kind of questionable for a couple of days if he was going to make it.
So maybe you feel silly going to the ER for a tummy ache. But you have to go.
You have to.
Posted by: tommy at May 25, 2005 08:15 PM (TWHR8)
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I dealt with sharp pains in the right side of my chest for a couple of weeks last month. It was the wrong side for heart problems, but I had it checked out anyway. After x-rays and CT scans, it was apparently a swollen lymph node in my chest cavity putting some pretty serious pressure on some nerves.
I didn't even know I *had* lymph nodes in my chest cavity...
Posted by: Desert Cat at May 25, 2005 10:32 PM (xdX36)
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Sounds like you're just tough enough to do it.
I have one of those "oops, heart attack" moments about twice a year and it sure is localized. About an inch above my sternum and unlike anything I've ever felt. Apparently just some kind of gas block from my disgusting diet.
Be well.
Posted by: Mr.Kurtz at May 26, 2005 01:39 AM (KHPaj)
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I had horrible chest pains as the result of a hiatal hernia and constricted esophagus. They finally figured out what it was and did some kind of balloon procedure and it went away totally. But I went through all the heart attack testing, etc., before they nailed it down.
Posted by: gail at May 26, 2005 05:40 AM (47cun)
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I had a fit, weight-lifting co-worker who died of a heart attack at the ripe old age of 24. Ever since then I've fully known life to be pretty much just a roll of the dice from one day to the next.
Posted by: Ciggy at May 26, 2005 06:49 AM (Sy2Fl)
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It actually feels like some sort of lung issue, but it didn't show up on the X-ray, so it isn't pneumonia or anything like that.
My husband suggested paint fumes--I'd been painting the front porch. Could be.
Anyway, it's nearly gone now, and it's a new day.
Posted by: Attila Girl at May 26, 2005 08:30 AM (8e5bN)
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I'm 21, and I had chest pains about a year ago -- all the classic heart attack places - chest, left arm, jaw, etc. As it turns out, I'd pinched the nerve that is bothered when you have a heart attack. It recurs sometimes, which is disconcerting, but at least I know I'm not dying.
Posted by: Katie at May 26, 2005 08:43 AM (e9cFT)
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You did good, you. For someone who's so disgustingly healthy all the time, you took this one on like a pro.
Book! Cell phone! Sustenance!
Plus, you WENT. You did the right thing.
And it sounds like there wasn't one fool there who tried to tell you it was female anxiety. Thank heaven. That BS is one reason more women die of heart disease than breast cancer: so many of our genuine physical diseases get blown off as "psychological," like those heart attack deaths a day after being sent home misdiagnosed as a panic attack or, God almighty, "histrionics."
Think it doesn't happen today? My niece recently got sent home from a doctor's office with advice to get "psychological counseling" for her -- get this -- ASTHMA. He didn't even test her for it first, ok? It was one of those admirable Diagnoses-by-ESP. He could have KILLED her. Because, as it turns out, her asthma is perfectly real and quite serious.
And it isn't that women's heart attack symptoms present abnormally. They're usually perfectly normal for WOMEN. Until very recently, no one bothered to wonder if women and men might be different. They really are.
'Scuse the rant. I'm in a mood to rip up certain doctors today.
I'm so glad they took good care of you.
I agree about the lung bit. If it hurts on deep breaths and isn't too localized, it sounds like a lung thing. If it were localized I'd wonder if you had a cracked rib.
Since you already have pretty serious allergies, you're prone to asthma, and maybe to other good old-fashioned lung ailments like pleurisy. That's when the lining surrounding your lungs gets inflamed, and when it tries to expand on deep breaths, it sort of sticks on the lining of your chest. Usually the two linings are all lubricated and slick, and slide around nice and smooth. But when the pleural lining gets inflamed, it's sort of swollen, right? and doesn't slide so good. Hurts like a sonofabitch. But often, only when you breathe deep.
The reason I dry pave and almost never use mortar any more is because it's caustic. When I pour or stir up the dry mix, like with its water, I can't get around breathing it a bit. Even mixed, I can feel it when I breathe. It gives me pleurisy. Which, being a soft tissue issue, won't always be seen on an ex-ray. See?
So I'm wondering about those paint fumes, too.
Glad to hear you're feeling better. I love good jobs and happy endings. Here, I got both. Thanks.
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Glad to hear you're well.
If you continue to have similar symptoms, start a log of everything you eat, and have yourself tested for allergies, and especially for food allergies. I'm allergic to soy, and for months had chest pains and "indigestion" -- then stopped eating anything that contains soy (mayo has soy!) and the pain is gone.
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H=heart related
E=esophageal problems
A=anxiety attack
R= I've forgotten;but probably reflux
T=Tietsche's syndrome(a viral inflammation of the chest cartilage)
50-81 mg of aspirin/day recommended
Posted by: lincoln at May 26, 2005 11:52 AM (fWdXB)
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1) I'm glad you're feeling better.
2) BOO!!!!!!
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Oh, Those Newsweaklings
Iowahawk has the
story on the riots in Dairy Country:
Newsweek Lutefisk Story Sparks Fury Across Volatile Midwest
Decorah, IA - The debris-strewn streets of this remote Midwestern hamlet remain under a tense 24-hour curfew tonight, following weekend demonstrations by rock- and figurine-throwing Lutheran farm wives that left over 200 people injured and leveled the Whippy Dip dairy freeze. The rioting appeared to be prompted, in part, by a report in Newsweek magazine claiming military guards at Spirit LakeÂ’s notorious Okoboji internment center had flushed lutefisk down prison toilets. NewsweekÂ’s late announcement of a retraction seems to have done little to quell the inflamed passions of Lutheran insurgents in the region, as outbreaks of violent mailbox bashings and cow tippings have been reported from Bowbells, North Dakota to Pekin, Illinois.
Whether the violence was triggered by Newsweek’s report of lutefisk desecration or frustration over chronic shortages of Beanie Babies and Old Style, one thing seems certain – occupying U.S. troops face a steep road to reestablish trust in this tinderbox of ancient hatreds and delicious dairy products. Some analysts say the latest outbreak represents the most vexing challenge to US strategy since its invasion of the region three years ago.
“It could be months before we get the area back under control,” said Brigadier Gen. Glen Hastings of the US Army’s Southern Minnesota Command. “We’re hoping the tractor pull and swap meet seasons will help calm down some of the violent elements.”
Read the whole thing. It's funny; you betcha.
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After the revolution, coffee and bars will be served in the basement. Ooh, and thanks to Gladys for bringing the rocket launchers.
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Born in Minnesota and raised in Wisconsin, I am
deeply offended by the obvious stereotyping of ALL Midwesterners as dangerous fanatical Lutherans. The Lutheran Liberation Organization (LLO) is not a terrorism unit, dontcha know. They are merely devout men and women seeking to return the land of their fathers to its fundamentalist roots. Transplanted Lutherans around the country host bake sales and car washes to funnel money into the LLO, so that it may promote itÂ’s agenda of Peace.
The media bias has portrayed ALL Midwestern Lutherans as violent, failing to differentiate between the fringe element and the moderates. The tragedy is that now ALL innocent Midwesterners will suffer Christian profiling. As a Midwesterner living quietly in Texas, IÂ’ve already suffered the stares, the nudges, the looks wherever I go. People study me for clues of my religious preference. I know theyÂ’re wondering if IÂ’m just a plain Midwesterner or from the fundamentalist Missouri Synod. They are afraid that I might snap and go into a violent Polka or Chicken Dance!
Oh ya sure, the “fringe element” managed to ransack the entire Midwest region, but after all, it’s really because they’ve been oppressed and mistreated for so long by the steady encroachment of the Southern Baptists - who should’ve known better and stayed below the Mason-Dixon line! Not to mention the fact that the Methodists and Episcopalians have actually defiled their carefully manicured neighborhood blocks by placing their own houses of worship on opposite corners. I mean, the Catholics even STOLE Bingo night and have seduced the elderly into their cathedrals on Friday nights when everyone knows that is the sacred Friday Night Fish Fry!! Is it any wonder there is no peace?! How on earth are the Lutherans, after being oppressed for so many decades, supposed to live in peace and harmony with infidels, eh?
Furthermore, to add grave insult to injury, the presence of the evil war-mongering California National Guard is proof of an insidous conspiracy for the environmentalists to rape the land of its wheat and corn! Everyone knows how much grain those hippies eat! And corn! They need more and more crops to support their depraved vegan lifestyles. Especially now that their bagels have gotten so huge, and rely on only whole grain wheat! This is really all about WAR FOR WHEAT!
Lord knows, itÂ’s been a trial, and the Lutherans have suffered greatly, dontcha know. It really would be best for the world, if they are given the land for their own. Oh ya, the world owes it to 'em! In fact, though I am a
moderate Midwesterner and not at all part of that tiny fringe group of fanatical Lutherans, I certainly do understand their reaction. It is everyone elseÂ’s fault, fer peteÂ’s sake!!
Oh, ya hey dere: if you disgree with me, then youÂ’re a hate-monger and a racist.
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James Taranto
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summarizes the deal for averting procedural changes in the Senate:
We favor an end to the obstruction of judicial nominees via filibuster, and it strikes us that this agreement is likely to accomplish that, at least for this Congress (after which the agreement expires). If so, the nuclear option will have shown its value as a deterrent.
The agreement binds the 14 senators who signed it to vote for cloture (i.e., against a filibuster) of the three remaining nominees the Democrats have most demonized: Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown and Bill Pryor. The compromisers expressly "make no commitment to vote for or against cloture" of two additional nominees, William Myers and Henry Saad. The status of two other nominees, Brett Kavanaugh and William Haynes, is unclear. Early this afternoon the Senate voted 81-18 for cloture on Owen's nomination; an actual confirmation vote should come by tomorrow.
The 14 also agreed not to filibuster judicial nominees except "under extraordinary circumstances" and to oppose the nuclear option. Since there are 48 Republicans and 38 Democrats (including Jeffords) who are not parties to the agreement, at least three compromising Democrats would have to find "extraordinary circumstances" in order to sustain a filibuster. If at least two Republicans disagreed and thus concluded the Dems were violating the agreement, they could abandon the pledge and go nuclear.
All this may be academic, though. The most crucial passage in the agreement may prove to be this one: "Each signatory must use his or her own discretion and judgment in determining whether such ['extraordinary'] circumstances exist." As a practical matter, this applies only to the Democratic signatories, since no Republican has ever voted to filibuster a Bush judicial nominee.
The seven Democratic signatories, that is, have now declared that they will decide how to vote on judicial filibusters rather than take directions from the party. Two of them, Robert Byrd and Daniel Inouye, probably did so largely to preserve "Senate tradition"; but the other five--Mary Landrieu, Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor and Ken Salazar--are all generally moderate, and all from red states except Lieberman. Their inclinations and political interests diverge from those of Barbara Boxer, Ted Kennedy and other far-left blue-staters.
If left-wing Democrats want to filibuster another nominee, they will have to persuade Minority Leader Harry Reid to risk another nuclear confrontation and persuade at least one of the moderate compromising five, plus Byrd, Inouye and every single uncompromising Dem, that it's worth it. It could happen, but we're not betting on it.
Which appears pretty accurate. Now go to the site: it's the best of the web, after all.
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Good summary. I've generally stopped reading Taranto because he seems so partisan
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at May 25, 2005 09:07 AM (vvUvC)
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Well, I'm betting on it. Below, from the
NY Times Wed. 05/25/05 is just how hard Reid is to persuade.
"There's nothing in anything that was done last night that prevents us from filibustering somebody that's extreme, whether it's on the district court, on a circuit court or the Supreme Court," said Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the Democratic leader."
I'm just surprised he waited so long.
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"Why Would a Libertarian Vote for Bush?"
You asked;
Virginia Postrel answered. It's actually fairly compelling.
(Insty.)
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M. Simon
. . . has plenty to say. Go to his
main page and scroll down.
Each of the RINOs wanted something for their vote. Frist unlike LBJ don't play that.
And now the Rs are going to strangle their party for funds; because they do not know how to play finesse politics. Where is LBJ when you need him?
So back to square one.
What can the RINOs and Republicans agree on? Get that passed. Forget the rest. This is not religion where absolutes rule. This is politics. And politics has its limits.
I have been saying this since May of '03. Evidently some of you have not been reading my memos and taking them to heart.
And now you want to give up the game because you can't win all the marbles.
Republicans are not going to remake the judiciary. The best they can hope for is to move things a bit in the desired direction. Isn't that enough?
Any idea why the Rs are called the stupid party?
I have a few.
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The Importance of Unblocking Janice Rogers Brown
Sissy Willis publishes
excerpts from Brown's writing, explaining why the liberal establishment could not abide the advancement of such a powerful thinker and writer who knows the evils of collectivism.
Particularly one who is black.
It's true that her advancement is of some importance. Perhaps tremendous importance.
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One of my favorite qoutes I saw in reference to the filibuster was how if the filibuster is gone we would quickly undo all civil rights laws and stop the advancement of minorities in the country.
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Aaron
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handgunning question. It's an interesting one.
I suggested a rifle, and then re-read Aaron's original question. Longarms are cheating.
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http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/45acp.htm
Posted by: Ciggy at May 24, 2005 06:55 AM (0B3lJ)
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There's always AP for a good through-and through but availability might be a problem - and less confetti.
Posted by: Mr.Kurtz at May 24, 2005 08:09 AM (BCOHx)
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I think I saw a "Mythbusters" about this very topic. The verdict was that a bullet carries enough kinetic energy to penetrate, but not enough kinetic energy to translate into violent motion in the target.
Posted by: Jeff Harrell at May 24, 2005 09:57 AM (KZlQC)
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It's going to depend on the bullet. Even shooting paper targets with different loads tells me that some penetrate cleanly, and others don't.
Hollow-points in particular are designed to expand once they reach their intended targets: they "mushroom" on impact (or, in some cases, peel out into a star shape, and continue spinning as they tear through the material).
Keep in mind also that hunters are able to observe the effects of their loads on the wound channels in game they hunt. And homicide detectives see instances where various loads will enter the human head, and take large chunks of the brains out the back.
So we know it happens. It's just a question of the ammunitions used.
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230 grain FMJ will probably go through that--it's said to be able to penetrate about 2' of muscle and was tested for the 1911 on young steers.
And yes, long rifle is cheating. Some guys I used to hunt with sighted in one year on a 9" diameter pine tree and were surprised to find exit holes (from expanding rounds).
I'd personally recommend an expanding bullet, though, to do maximum damage. It would still probably go through, leaving daylight the size of your fist.
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May 23, 2005
The Constitutional Option, Averted for Now
First of all, I do think John McCain is one of the most unfortunate legislators in history. The man should be in the sequel to
National Treasure: he's certainly done tremendous damage to a document that's pivotal to our history. (Though of course it's the Constitution he's trashing, rather than the Declaration of Independence. He's been especially destructive to the First and Second Amendments. You know: the important ones.)
That said, the rightosphere should take a chill pill regarding today's compromise in the Senate. There's a lot going on here, and everyone has his or her own theory; here's Blackjack's:
I'm not going to sugarcoat it -- the Republicans probably could have gotten a better deal than they did. What I can do for you is tell you why they jumped on the deal and it is also the reason why this deal is ultimately a net win for Republicans. The answer is just three words long:
Janice Rogers Brown
Did you honestly think that opposition to Janice Rogers Brown was based on political philosophy? Yeah, right -- and I'm Pat Freaking Boone. The reason that Democrats didn't like (read: were scared to death of) Brown is because they know two things:
1. Their most solid voting bloc is African-Americans
2. This bloc is slowly eroding over time.
True enough. But the real reason behind this compromise—in my mind—is a second proper noun:
Hillary Rodham Clinton.
The odds are good—or, if you like, the risk is real—that she'll end up in the White House in 2009. If you believe (as I do) that her true convictions are considerably to the left of her behavior in the Senate, you should take very seriously the idea of her nominating judges, particularly to SCOTUS.
The judicial filibuster is a tool that we may well need someday in the not-too-distant future.
I know everyone's going to get mad at me for saying this, but I'm with George Will on this one:
Some conservatives say there is a "constitutional right'' to have an up-or-down Senate vote on nominees. But in whom does this right inhere? The nominees? The president? This is a perverse contention coming from conservatives eager to confirm judges who will stop the promiscuous discovery by courts of spurious constitutional rights. And conservatives eager to confirm judges respectful of the Constitution's text should not read its stipulation that no nominee shall be confirmed without a favorable Senate vote as a requirement that the Senate vote.
    Some conservatives oddly seem to regret the fact that the government bristles with delaying and blocking mechanisms—separation of powers, bicameral legislature, etc. The filibuster is one such mechanism—an instrument for minority assertion. It enables democracy to be more than government-by-adding-machine, more than a mere counter of numbers. The filibuster registers intensity, enabling intense minorities to slow or stop government.
    The crucial, albeit unwritten, rule regarding judicial nominees was changed forever 18 years ago by the Bork confirmation fight: Now both sides in the Senate feel free to judge and accept or reject nominees on the basis of their judicial philosophies. So, conservatives, think:
    The future will bring Democratic presidents and Senate majorities. How would you react were such a majority about to change Senate rules to prevent you from filibustering to block a nominee likely to construe the equal protection clause as creating a constitutional right to same-sex marriage?
  ÂÂ
 And pruning the filibuster in the name of majority rule would sharpen a scythe that one day will be used to prune it further. If filibusters of judicial nominations are impermissible, why not those of all nominations—and of treaties, too?
Let's try to think long-term, here.
Hat tip: Jeff G., with whom I cannot agree this particular time.
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I actually agree that the filibuster didn't need to be thrown away. I think a modification of the filibuster rules would have been the most appropriate: let the minority party expend one filibuster per 6 month period, so that they have to pick only those nominees they consider the most egregious, to block. For the rest of them, don't let the minority party grind the whole government to a standstill.
Posted by: Ciggy at May 24, 2005 06:48 AM (0B3lJ)
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I don't understand what makes anyone think if the roles were reversed (as they may be someday) that the democrats would hesitate to change the rules to end a republican filibuster.
They have no problem exercising political power.
Posted by: Pile On® at May 24, 2005 10:32 AM (eCP3m)
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I think you've hit the nail on the head: I don't think it's
likely that Hillary will win in 2008, but as you put it, "the risk is real" that there will be a Democrat President in 2008, 2012 or 2016, and the threat is inevitable that there will
someday in my lifetime be a Democrat president, and the threat is
high that there may yet be a non-GOP President and non-GOP Senate concurrently. History tells us that one-party dominance is never sustained perpetually; the other side bitches and whines and moans and eventually figures out what it has to do to get electable again. Sometimes it takes years, sometimes decades. And we CANNOT have more Breyers or Souters, not just now, but forever. You're right: think long term.
I
reject the notion that the filibuster is unconstitutional. It may or may not be ill-advised, undemocratic, anti-majoritarian and blasted inconvenient (when we're in the majority, that is), but I do
not accept its unconstitutionality. I'm not necessarily saying that I would have opposed changing the rules in the legitimate way, but I'm a law-and-order type and an originalist; I like rules, I like people playing by rules, and I dislike the reading of new and opportunistic meaning into the text. I'd be interested to hear Scalia's take on this, actually - I almost wish the matter had gone to court such that we could hear him tackle it.
Of course, the blogosphere is going absolutely nuts, and it is all profoundly silly; one caller to CSPAN this morning demanded that these Senators be impeached, saying we were now "practically communist" (the irony of which simply can't be overstated). I hoped, perhaps foolishly, that this would be an isolated example, but nay - reading comments on
Reid Report,
Chris Mowder,
GOPbloggers,
Blogs for Bush, and so, so many others, it looks like there really HAS been a nuclear option detonated today: as far as 2008 is concerned, Frist and McCain have effectively rendered themselves radioactive.
Posted by: Simon at May 24, 2005 10:36 AM (o+ba9)
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....
Snowe for president, you kill me Simon.
Posted by: Pile On® at May 24, 2005 10:50 AM (eCP3m)
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An absolute and unmitigated disaster for Conservatives. The Seven Dwarves sell out the party. That snapping sound you heard are the Republican purses snapping shut--no more money for these clowns. By the way, this Warner is a real piece of, uh, work. He abandoned his party's nominee in Virginia, Oliver North, and got a Democrat elected Senator. Now this. Get rid of these RINO's! They are not only useless, they are downright harmful: they repeatedly betray their party.
I think the Republicans may end up losing control of the Senate over this. Why vote these jerks in if they just vote like Democrats? Also, McCain is on more drugs than his wife was if he thinks he's ever going to get the Republican nomination. He will, however, probably run a vanity candidacy like Perot, and we'll get President Hillary with about 43% of the vote just like Bubba did.
One final point: guess who just LOVES last night's sellout? None other than Andrew Sullivan. As I mentioned the other day, this guy is a phony Conservative, an upscale, fumigated version of David Brock. He advocates gay marriage IMPOSED BY JUDGES (not voted in by popular vote or legislatively which would actually involve the effort of convincing people that your cause is right), a huge increase in the Federal gasoline tax, raising taxes to "decrease the deficit," giving terrorists Geneva Convention protection, and on and on and on. I challenge anybody to show me how this fraud qualifies as a "Conservative" on anything.
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No real conservative has taken McCain seriously for years, given his gun-grabbing tendancies.. And McCain-Feingold sealed the deal. "The audience is listening."
And I haven't read Sully on any kind of regular basis since he decided gay marriage was just as important as the war on terrorism. If I want to read a provocative lefty-with-integrity, I'll read Christopher Hitchens, who hasn't abandoned Marxism, but still understands that democracy is a Good Thing (particularly given some of the alternatives out there).
The fact is, I'm in favor of gay marriage--but I still think Andrew is out of his pretty little head. Reynolds calls him the "emoter-in-chief." No one takes him seriously any more.
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I'm with you. Hillary has a real chance in 2008, & the people who don't think she does are part of the reason. They can't see how the right wing shoots itself in the foot. The Republican primaries in 2008 will be a race for the blessing of the Religious Right, just as the Dems in 2004 had to suck up to MoveOn, & Kerry couldn't do a Souljah on Michael Moore.
Hinderaker is giving a Sully a run for his tiara today....
Posted by: beautifulatrocities at May 24, 2005 12:21 PM (5tzEU)
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Why is it that the moderate or liberal republicans hand a victory to the democrats and if the conservatives complain about it, it is the right wing that is shooting itself in the foot?
Posted by: Pile On® at May 24, 2005 04:48 PM (eCP3m)
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Keep in mind which Democrats we're dealing with here: other than Byrd (who, like McCain, should be discounted) this is people like Joe Lieberman. There is a chance that when they say they won't filibuster in the future, they really won't. (They could abuse the "extraordinary circumstances" notion, but if they do we still have the nuclear option.)
And we got three judges an up-or-down vote: the ones who are likely to win that up-or-down vote.
There's plenty of face-saving language in the agreement, but I'm not sure I see it as a Democratic victory in terms of how it will really play out. After all, Bush is going to keep submitting the names of constructionists, and if the Dems filibuster they're going to have to show some kind of good cause.
We all know Scalia got 97-0 vote (or whatever it was). If the Dems filibuster in the future, they'll have to show that the person is way to the right of Scalia.
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Speaking for myself and some others I have read, it's not so much that a compromise was made, because that has to be done from time to time to get things done. It's that, once again, the GOP has given in to the minority party. Just once, I would like them to act like the majority party they are. And this was the time.
Throw McCain out.
Posted by: William Teach at May 24, 2005 05:28 PM (HxpPK)
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You make some good points Attila, but here is why I think it was a victory for the dems.
First, I understand politics is the art of compromise, or something like that. My frustration comes because the dems compromise when the don't have the votes and the republicans compromise when they do.
Now, this isn't over, and the next time the stakes are going to be higher and it is going to be even harder to use the "nukular" option because the dems will say "hey we let some of these radicals get voted on, we have tried to be reasonable but this is just to much". Then the republicans will really fold.
Posted by: Pile On® at May 24, 2005 06:25 PM (eCP3m)
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Depends on which Republicans we have. That's why we need to think hard about '06: obviously, I'd love to get McCain out of the Senate, but the other thing we need to work toward is a 60-senator majority. Then we'll be filibuster-proof.
Actually, we don't need 60 Republicans, so much as enough Republicans that, added to a handfui of Democrats who are willing to suspend partisan games, the total is 60. Then we can get some business done.
And, Pile On, I agree that the Republicans have had tremendous difficulty "getting" that they are the majority party, but at least they considered bringing out the big guns this time in terms of changing Senate procedures--so they're on the right track. The fact that this was averted by a gang of moderates doesn't change the fact that the GOP is learning to think like a majority party.
But it will only work if we stop thinking in terms of "RINOs vs. 'Real Republicans.'" That's hard for a lot of people to do.
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It's Important That We Remember
. . . which party was
filibustering civil rights legislation.
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Yeah, DemonCreeps were as wrong back then in opposing civil rights, as they are today in their Osama-hugging glee at joining forces with the Islamofascists.
Posted by: Ciggy at May 23, 2005 09:54 AM (Sy2Fl)
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Die, Drug War! Die!
I've always known that Desert Cat and I largely agreed about the evils of the drug war (and in particular Marijuana Prohibition). But I'd never before read
this piece of his, in which he explains why his postions are not inconsistent with his evangelical beliefs.
It's pretty convincing.
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I'm not even a Christian, let alone a fundamentalist one, but I am a veteran of the Drug War, and a combat veteran at that. I've seen people's lives destroyed in South America, all in an effort by our government to protect stupid people from their own habits. That is what I find to be the most fundamentally immoral thing imaginable. There's no Ayn Randesque Objectivist way to back up the rationale for the Drug War, anymore than anything Jeeeeezuss might have said to even remotely suggest stoning someone for growing the wrong sort of a crop.
Posted by: Ciggy at May 23, 2005 09:51 AM (Sy2Fl)
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My personal opinion (based on my understanding of scripture) is Jesus would more than likely be found hanging around with stoners on occasion, were his ministry to have taken place in modern times. He was accused of being a glutton and a drunkard by the religious leaders of his day, not to mention excoriated for his habit of hanging loose with the lowest members of society.
Well then? You know he's not going to be found on Park Avenue, preaching at the First Church of the Upright and Pure? No, he'll be downtown somewhere, preaching to a crowd of pimps, prostitutes and bums. And more than likely he'll go have dinner and hang with the local drug kingpin and his homies. You really think he's going to pass when the blunt is handed his way?
Careful...
Thanks Atilla for the linky, though I expect the attention will unearth someone bent on convincing me I'm going to hell for my beliefs.
Posted by: Desert Cat at May 24, 2005 11:50 PM (xdX36)
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I've always thought Jesus would be found with the suffering among the gay community: with the "throwaway" young hooker-runaways, with the HIV-positive.
All of the above, I think.
Posted by: Attila Girl at May 25, 2005 10:30 AM (8e5bN)
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May 22, 2005
I Love Social History.
And I love Dean's set of
questions for the elderly. I plan to ask them of my grandmother, who is in her 90s.
I've always been fascinated by the history of housework: how things used to get done before we had little machines to handle it all. How meals got cooked. How it all worked.
Life was hard, and people were much more vulnerable to disease. And yet, there was an acceptance of self-denial that served the Greatest Generation very well.
I was born in 1962, at a time when an overly optimistic world view appeared to promise all of us a world of unending bounty. No more suffering. Just blue skies and big fluffy clouds.
In some ways, it's a good world view to have, but it's never entirely aligned with the flesh-and-blood reality, and there have been a couple of painful adjustments here and there.
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With modern achievements, the good side of the human ledger gets better, and the bad side gets worse. Technology just raises the stakes of what people have been fighting over ever since one cave man decided to steal another's deer meat rather than hunt his own.
Posted by: Ciggy at May 23, 2005 09:47 AM (Sy2Fl)
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