January 07, 2005
Okay.
I'm halfway out of the funk. I've even managed to do a constructive thing or two. So we'll be back to normal around here in no time—and then won't you be sorry? (Long posts that go nowhere, naval-gazing essays, silly observations . . . it'll be awful.)
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I'm looking forward to more cussing. You haven't been cussing much lately. Need to let a Cheney bomb out
Posted by: William Teach at January 07, 2005 04:02 PM (HxpPK)
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Goodness gracious; I'll have to think about that.
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Where Does He FIND This Stuff?
Jeff of Beautiful Atrocities has some
answers from the Muslim Dear Abbey. Like, who knew it wasn't okay to read while on the toilet? Not me.
UPDATE: Iowahawk makes a good thing better. Read this one after you drop by Jeff's place.
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Glad I'm not Muslim. I have a small bookcase in the bathroom...
Posted by: Kathy K at January 07, 2005 06:30 PM (FsOBO)
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Hm. I never understood that. Other than putting on makeup (or sometimes washing/moisturizing my face--dreamily and absent-mindedly) I don't do anything in the bathroom that can't be done in moments.
Oh, yes: baths and hot showers.
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January 06, 2005
Also,
not eating will save me scads of money. After all, that's our second-largest monthly outlay. I'm be thin and rich. Yay!
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But now is a good time to eat some nice chocolate.
Posted by: k at January 06, 2005 08:38 PM (+7VNs)
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Well, I drank some hot chocolate. Does that count?
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 07, 2005 09:24 AM (8TapF)
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Oh yes! So chocolate. Plus, hot chocolate ranks right up there in life's fine things. We had some just a couple nights ago.
Chocolate is health food. Good for mood swings and depression and female stuff. And one of the world's great comfort foods.
You can still be thin and rich, too, because chocolate is all you really need.
Especially when buried under horrible winter storm blasts, with all that ice and snow and stuff?
It's about 78 here right now. Pure sunshine. Zero % rain chance for days. Tonight it'll go down to around 67. Sometimes I can use that as an excuse for more hot chocolate.
But it really does get a bit nippy sometimes, like last week or two it was all the way down in the 50's at night for like a week!!!!
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I know, it's been freezing cold here this last week. And by that, of course, I mean 50-60.
And, of course, it has been raining. Mr. Water is leaving you guys in Florida alone, for a change, and bugging us.
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Over at The Brutality of Reason
Ironcross discusses the military's
super-secret plan for Islamic genocide. Well, sooner or later the cat was bound to come out of the bag, huh?
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You Go, Big Guy
The Spear Shaker has a
summary of Schwarzennegger's aggressive reform plan for Cauli-fornia.
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January 05, 2005
Well, There's That
I forwarded a post by another blogger—one I consider particularly clever—to a friend, who sent a missive back to the effect that it was quite an interesting little entry, but "why don't you all go out and get jobs?"
My plan: wait until he isn't looking, and spit in his drink sometime when he least expects it.
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And meanwhile, the Powerline guys are being attacked *because* of their jobs (like bank Vice President) So bloggers can be attacked as loser pajama-wearers and at the same time as wealthy corporate evil manipulators.
It's reminiscent of the classic anti-Semite, who attacks Jews as Communists and as Wall Street manipulators simultaneously....
Posted by: David Foster at January 06, 2005 07:58 AM (cosES)
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Yeah--plenty of irony in the Power Line accusations.
The thing that bothers me is that so many liberal and lefty bloggers are paid just to stay at home and blog. It's hard not to be disheartened by all the resources they have—while we're expected to do it for love.
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Silver Linings
Just one more thing about my depression: right now, I'm about five pounds north of being able to fit into my hip-huggers.* If this thing continues for a few more days, I'll be able to wear 'em without any problem at all.
*Or, "jeans with a slight low-rise quality," to you young whippersnappers who are still experiencing all fashion trends the first time around. (I'm up to the second wave on everything.)
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The Beautiful Thing
. . . about being depressed/unhappy at this time of month is I'm absolutely sure it isn't hormones. After all, this is supposed to be the happy/horny era, and all I want to do is hide under the bed and weep.
This timing business is more important than you might imagine. After all, if I might be PMS-ing (and it's never that clear these days, as perimenopause sets in), I'm never certain whether I can trust my perceptions or not.
It's lovely to know that I can at least think clearly without physiological interference. Provided, of course, that I remember to eat a little, and that I manage to sleep.
It's the mind-body problem. Or, if you like, something akin to the observations of Raymond Chandler and Joan Didion about what happens to residents of Los Angeles during a Santa Ana wind. Except that it's all inside one human being, and the weather guy doesn't ever let you know.
Neither, these days, does the calendar.
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Attila, I experience sadness to some degree most days of the month, whether pre-menstrual or not.
It comes on both slowly and suddenly. But, I confess to feeling a tiny but more justified when it isn't occurring on day 26 and 27 of the month....
Posted by: Rae at January 05, 2005 10:26 PM (Nf9gk)
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The thing is when it gets just overwhelming, and one simply feels there's no redemption to be found anywhere. That's when I usually check the calendar; nine times out of ten, that's the answer.
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Cranky Copy Editor Stuff
Please bear in mind that
up is not a verb; I don't care what worthless rag you're composing headlines or captions for.
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Copy editor? You are a stinking *copy editor*?!?
We may have to re-access our relationship.
;-)
Posted by: The Peoria Pundit at January 05, 2005 05:50 PM (QykcX)
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Or "re-assess" it?
xoxo,
Attila Girl
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 05, 2005 08:05 PM (8TapF)
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I have learned that any post in which I carp about copy editors always contains a huge error. Par for the course. Thpt!
Xacto-wielding pig dogs.
Posted by: Bill Dennis at January 05, 2005 10:15 PM (QykcX)
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I try to walk softly; after all, my own posts aren't perfect.
Though, if I do say so myself, they are damn clean considering the conditions under which I proofread them (right on the spot, on screen, in a hurry).
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Dear LMA,
You need to up your meds or something. Ending a sentence with a conjunction...indeed!
Happy New Year!
LMM
Posted by: littlemrmahatma at January 06, 2005 07:45 AM (BZ0tI)
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Dear LMM:
Actually, "for" is primarily a preposition, especially when describing a function, say, "composing headlines."
You're not supposed to end a sentence with a preposition, either.
I only know this because I dearly love to end my sentences with prepositions. But ending with a conjunction just doesn't float my boat.
I also love to really split my infinitives. And start sentences with And or But.
Drives 'm nuts.
heh heh.
k
Posted by: k at January 06, 2005 09:33 AM (ywZa8)
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Winston Churchill: "The rule about not ending sentences with prepositions is one up with which I shall not put."
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 06, 2005 10:59 AM (8TapF)
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snort!!!
You made me spit my chocolate milk all over my monitor.
If this is how you write and think when depressed, please don't take up Prozac or anything, ok?
go Winnie!
k
Posted by: k at January 06, 2005 01:30 PM (ywZa8)
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Anyone here ever hear of the concept of the "idiom." It's a collection of words that has a singular meaning, such as "That is a situation I will not put up with."
"Put up with" is an idiom that means, roughly, "tolerate."
In this context, "with" is not a true preposition.
Therefore, it is perfectly grammatical to use at the end of a sentence.
But try to tell that to the grey-haired retired school teachers who write letters to your editor complaining about the bad grammar in your articles.
Screw 'em, I say.
Newspapers have two options: Write to the specifications of a handful of Language Nazis, who as often as not are not the experts they claim to be -- or write bright, entertaining copy.
Why would anyone want their newspaper to read like a 9th grade term paper?
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Basically, I feel that if all the elements are in a sentence, and it sounds okay, full steam ahead--I can't get upset by wayward prepositions or this "split infinitive" stuff. Who cares?
But certain things still bother me, often because they require two readings for one to understand what's being said--or because they just come off as silly ("irregardless").
I mean, when an unfortunate situation occurs, and someone tells me he feels "badly," I'm often tempted to reply, "that's too bad. Especially for your wife."
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Posted by: k at January 10, 2005 10:22 AM (6krEN)
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He feels badly. He's bad at feeling. He lacks skill in feeling. He's a little clumsy with respect to . . . feeling.
(Obviously, the joke rests on the double meaning of the word "feel," and I'm alluding to its tactile sense.)
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 10, 2005 02:22 PM (RjyQ5)
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OH! Well, now that you've pointed it out, it seems perfectly obvious.
The only way I ever learn anything about grammar is by my own mistakes, and then only when pounded into my head with a rock. Since I say "bad" not "badly" I had no idea what was going on.
Posted by: k at January 10, 2005 06:20 PM (ywZa8)
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You're fine. And you're talking to someone whose relationship with arithmetic and money are
very troubled. Not my field at all.
Actually, very few things are my field: I do well in two or three areas, and fake the rest.
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Actually, my arithmatic's lousy. It startled the hell out of the teachers when they realized I had the thing for math. It's different.
And I wouldn't be in the pickle I'm in if my control of my money were better that it is. When it's other people's money I always make it come out so true.
But I do know what my fields are, so I won't worry about the grammar any more. Now I can safely confess: the only preposition I know is "for." Only conjunction, too, come to think. I only know them because I looked em' up. I like looking stuff up. Makes it look like you know so much stuff you don't.
Did you say something about "I do well in two or three areas, and fake the rest"?
k
Posted by: k at January 11, 2005 03:25 PM (ywZa8)
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An English teacher I knew used to talk about prepositions using a small stuffed animal and a box.
"Jack is IN the box."
"Jack in ON the box."
"Jack is zooming AROUND the box."
"Jack is jumping OVER the box."
You get the idea.
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 11, 2005 04:47 PM (RjyQ5)
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Ok. Jumping Jack Flashed FOR the box. I think I get it now.
See? The problem with looking stuff up is, sometimes it leads to actually learning something. Sheesh.
Posted by: k at January 11, 2005 10:11 PM (ywZa8)
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Yeah. Once you have the little creature and the small cardboard box, it's easy to make the leap to the non-physical sorts of prepositions. God bless Mr. Scherrer.
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Deadlines Beckon
. . . so it'll be light posting today. In the meantime, check out all the bitchin' sites on my blogroll (most of it's on the left sidebar, but the Watcher's Council members are listed on the right sidebar).
And, above all, be good.
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On the Dangers of Misreporting; How We Encourage Terrorism
Hindrocket has an excellent digest of a Melanie Phillips speech over at
Power Line. Phillips is a British writer who points out that the West's responses to terrorism play into the hands of those who would harm us.
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January 04, 2005
Jeff in Colorado
. . . is fighting
blogger burnout at Protein Wisdom.
Possible cures:
1) People might stop by more, boosting his traffic and lifting his spirits;
2) Someone "important" could link him;
3) Scrappleface could stop blogging, and send his traffic to Jeff;
4) A company or five might buy a handful of blogads, yielding some actual income for this hobby/disease of blogging;
5) Some of his fans might send him their underwear (perhaps bras rather than panties, so as not to upset Mrs. Wisdom);
6) He might pace himself, and only write a couple of entries a day, filling the extra time with some other hobby/disease/vice/addiction;
7) Jeff could watch Play Misty for Me, and ponder the notion that every fan is a potential stalker. This might lead him to watch his step and drop the threats of quitting.
Just tryin' to be helpful.
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Don't encourage him. Every one that drops means the rest of us move up a notch. Back to you, Eve Harrington ;p
Posted by: jeff at January 04, 2005 12:27 PM (T9jVY)
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I was gonna do #5 until you mentioned bras and panties. Nobody's supposed to know about those.
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Somehow, I think he'd be more appreciative of Miss Attila's than anything we could sent on #5 LOL.
I think this is just a hard time all around. But, it can't stay this way for long.
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50,000 Hits
This week. Probably within about 48 hours.
Not that, you know, I keep track.
I mean, this is art for art's sake; why on earth would I need an audience?
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Good for you. We started at roughly the same time and you're a scoche ahead of me. :-)
Posted by: Dave Schuler at January 04, 2005 11:54 AM (OLr4c)
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There are people who started around the same time (and a few, after) who just shot up past me in a hurry. But some of those people succombed to the dreaded Blogger Burnout, and my numbers have been mostly climbing (except for Nov/Dec).
So, I figure: marathon. Not sprint.
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 04, 2005 09:31 PM (8TapF)
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Miss A.,
What's the prize for being 50,000th customer? Or do I have to wait for 1 million?
Posted by: LargeBill at January 05, 2005 09:59 AM (dj6vo)
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The prize is, you get invited to buy a juicy blogad from me! So not only can you be a reader, but an advertiser as well! It'll make you feel
special.
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Congratulations! I'm closing in on 30K, which includes the stats (~1500) from my old Blog*spot site. I started in October 2003, so you're really doing great.
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More on Tsunami Aid: This Is Not a Competition
Chuck Simmons is
keeping a running tally on private American tsunami aid on the left sidebar of his main blog page. Check back with him when you're worried that we're "not doing enough," but keep in mind:
1) This is not a contest among nations; we're all just doing what we can;
2) Some people will always criticize whatever the U.S. does, and we just need to deal with that rather than get all hot and bothered;
3) We aren't likely to get "the highest ranking" on a per-capita basis (I believe that honor goes to the Dutch), and that's okay. The U.S. and the Australians are taking the lead and doing tremendous good over there right now, and we should be happy about that.
This class isn't graded on a curve, okay?
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If you count what it costs to build, maintain and mobilize the Pacific Command, A Carrier Battle Group, 17 C-130's, a dozen C-17's and C-141's and scores of H-60 helicopters, it surpassed the gross national product of the Netherlands. That stuff ain't free. It comes out of our pocket. If other countries don't want to count it in the total, I think they should reimburse us.
Posted by: Ironcross11 at January 04, 2005 04:04 PM (yNJRw)
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I know, I know: the idea of not counting the military component of our aid is absurd, when the military is the backbone of this effort.
I guess I'm just trying to get everyone to relax and ease up a little. There are those who won't give us credit for our leadership role in this disaster, no matter what. And for others--including, I believe, the victims--it's perfectly obvious that we and the Aussies are leading this and committing tremendous resources to it.
I guess I just mean that there are different ways of counting the way a nation gives to "charity." My favorite is that lately
1) it only counts if it goes through a nation's government, rather than from its people, and
2) it only counts if it goes overseas, rather than going to the needy within one's own borders.
There's no need for a pissing contest, because no one else is in the position to do what we can--not even close.
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The Diplomad
. . . has a few updates. Looks like the EUs will mostly follow the UN model (that is, hold meetings) and the Dutch will likely
throw their lot in with the group led by the Aussies/Yanks.
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Now That I'm Over the Slump
I should point out that, as a mid-level blogger, I'm the perfect place to advertise if you're just starting out (or have a low-key blog you'd like to publicize more effectively).
I get a decent amount of traffic, which isn't just my core readership but a resonable number of heavy hitters who stop by on at least a weekly basis. (No, that doesn't include Glenn Reynolds, but you'd be surprised how well a person can do without getting any Instalanches whatsoever.)
I'm back up to 500+ hits a day, now that the post-election and holiday slumps are over with. I'm still small enough, however, for ads to be really cheap ($10-$20/month, depending on my stats at the exact moment you buy the ad).
Keep in mind that if you do want to run an ad, an image, photo, or icon (some kind of artwork, no matter how simple) will likely make it more effective. So try to have that ready when you get started. And I've been told that it's easier to find me in the Blogads system by going through my existing adstrips, rather than trying to find me on their site. (Go to the right-hand sidebar, and find "I've wanted to sell out all my life," or [further down] "Advertise here.")
We now return you to your regularly scheduled less-overt—understated—ad-whoring and link-whoring. Which means I can take off these fishnets and high heels, now, and get back into my corduroys. Yay!
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I'm still waiting for campaign ads for Mahmoud Abbas.
Posted by: Laurence Simon at January 04, 2005 08:48 AM (uBCxH)
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Me too! His guys are pretty slow on the update, there. We'd both be just perfect for him. (Especially you.)
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darn. Not 50,000th. I'll work on it.
Posted by: William Teach at January 04, 2005 06:42 PM (HxpPK)
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When you are back to zero ads, e-mail me and I'll come up with a silly one to buy.
I've been wanting to make an "Instapundit - Because I don't get enough readers, and as a law professor I have a fragile ego." ad.
Posted by: Laurence Simon at January 05, 2005 01:35 PM (uBCxH)
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You Can Blow Out a Candle . . .
"But you can't blow out a fire."
The governor of Baghdad was just assassinated. In that light, Smash's observation about Bin Laden's increasing desperation is particularly important to bear in mind.
Democracy is coming to the Middle East, and neither the Baathists nor the Islamists can stop it.
Both Bin Laden and Zarqawi are living on borrowed time.
That said, I'm sick to death by what we've seen and what we will see this month. But there's no way around—only through.
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January 03, 2005
The Diplomad
. . . continues to
report on the efforts of the Australians/Americans, and the tragic, funny floundering of the U.N.:
In this part of the tsunami-wrecked Far Abroad, the UN is still nowhere to be seen where it counts, i.e., feeding and helping victims. The relief effort continues to be a US-Australia effort, with Singapore now in and coordinating closely with the US and Australia. Other countries are also signing up to be part of the US-Australia effort. Nobody wants to be "coordinated" by the UN. The local UN reps are getting desperate. They're calling for yet another meeting this afternoon; they've flown in more UN big shots to lecture us all on "coordination" and the need to work together, i.e., let the UN take credit. With Kofi about to arrive for a big conference, the UNocrats are scrambling to show something, anything as a UN accomplishment. Don't be surprised if they claim that the USS Abraham Lincoln is under UN control and that President Lincoln was a strong supporter of the UN.
And it gets better/worse:
UPDATE: WFP (World Food Program) has "arrived" in the capital with an "assessment and coordination team." . . . The team has spent the day and will likely spend a few more setting up their "coordination and opcenter" at a local five-star hotel. And their number one concern, even before phones, fax and copy machines? Arranging for the hotel to provide 24hr catering service. USAID folks already are cracking jokes about "The UN Sheraton." Meanwhile, our military and civilians, working with the super Aussies, continue to keep the C-130 air bridge of supplies flowing and the choppers flying, and keep on saving lives -- and without 24hr catering services from any five-star hotel . . . . The contrast grows more stark every minute.
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The UN has become absolutely irrelevant. Why do they even bother? ....I guess to spend our money on 5-star hotels still standing in disaster areas.
Posted by: Vulgorilla at January 03, 2005 05:38 AM (Rytu8)
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Work and the Holidays
Mark Steyn ran an interesting little
column about the difference between European sensibilities and those here in the U.S. with respect to work. He points out that the European phrase "over Christmas" has come to mean between Christmas and sometime in mid-January, and that the entire affair takes nearly three weeks. He points out that for many here in the States, the next working day is a real working day, even if it's the 26th of December. I might argue with that, in that a lot of offices shut down or perform only essential functions between Christmas and New Year's, but there is an underlying principle that is correct.
I was just at the annual party of a Pasadena friend who calls his January function "Back to Reality," meaning that his soiree is the official dividing line between "the holidays" and "the real world." This always occurs on the first Sunday after New Year's Day, which means that it happened today, though the New Year's Day floats were still on display in Pasadena, which didn't help people in getting to his house. Many assumed that "Back to Reality" would take place the following week, but this friend is an engineer: January 2nd it was. My point being, there might be a little wiggle room on either side, but for most Americans with office jobs, the absolute maximum time off in the winter is probably two weeks, and for many it's closer to two days. For some, it's one day, Christmas itself.
My husband tells me that the 6th is a good, traditional last moment for taking down the Christmas decorations in the Catholic world, though I was always told the day after New Year's. I'll accept the later time as the real deadline, because that's my way. Again: there's a matter of interpretation, but there are eventually Real Limits. (Except for me: I got sucked into a 70-hour/week job one January and didn't box up my Christmas ornaments that year until late June. I've sewn a scarlet "Noel" onto my clothing, though, so people will know my shame.)
But the fundamental difference between the European approach and that of Americans is in our conviction that at some point "the piper must be paid." Even the entertainment industry, which on a superficial level resembles the European aristocracy—doing next to nothing between Thanksgiving and the second in January—takes that time after months of working schedules that would kill any number of Europeans (and I say that with love). Those whom many regard as the American answer to aristocrats, actors and actresses, work 12-hour days when they have a project, and sometimes spend the weeks or months in between projects in a state of nervous collapse. It just ain't the same as the European attitude that says we're entitled to six weeks' vacation every year, and someone ought to pay for it.
The French and Germans, who average 40 days vacation a year, assume the reason Americans don't take holidays is because they don't get them. In fact, it's very hard persuading Americans to take the ones they do get. In rural states, most federal holidays -- Presidents Day, Martin Luther King Day, etc. -- go unobserved except by banks and government agencies. It was all I could do to persuade my assistant not to come in on Christmas Day -- ''just for a couple of hours in the morning in case there's anything urgent,'' she says pleadingly.
''There won't be anything urgent,'' I scoff.
''What about all that European research you wanted me to chase up?''
''Those deadbeats won't be back in the office till the week before Valentine's Day.'' Since lunchtime on Dec. 23, every business in Europe has been on an answering machine.
So there's your difference right there: we have a drive here, a desire to get things done right. To put in the time to make it so. And it makes our economy stronger than those in Europe, which are roughly comparable to our more disadvantaged states (think Arkansas, Mississippi—nothing against these places, but not the model of economic development London and Paris should be emulating).
Steyn again:
In 1999, the average ''working'' German worked 1,536 hours a year, the average American 1,976. In the United States, 49 percent of the population is in employment, in France 39 percent. From my strictly anecdotal observation of German acquaintances, the ideal career track seems to be to finish school around 34 and take early retirement at 42. By 2050, the pimply young lad in lederhosen serving you at the charming beer garden will be singlehandedly supporting entire old folks' homes. If tax rates were to be hiked commensurate to the decline in tax base and increase in welfare obligations, there would be no incentive at all to enter the (official) job market. Better to stay at school till 38 and retire at 39. That's why America's richer, and why, though the Europeans preen about their kinder, gentler society, customers of Amazon.com have pledged more money to disaster relief in the Indian Ocean than the French government.
It's horrifying because it's true. Finally, Deacon's quote at Power Line that turned me on to Steyn's column in the first place:
Europe has a psychological investment in longer holidays: The fact that they spell national suicide is less important than that they distinguish Europe from the less enlightened Americans. Many aspects of European life are, indeed, very pleasant: jobs for life, three-week Yuletides, etc. But they're what the environmental crowd would call ''unsustainable development.'' Despite the best efforts of lethargic Scotsmen, it can't be Christmas all year round.
Nor would I really want it to be. Europe has a problem. A big problem. They are on an economic bender that will eventually produce one hell of a hangover.
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My husband tells me that the 6th is a good, traditional last moment for taking down the Christmas decorations in the Catholic world, though I was always told the day after New Year's.
I unplugged the lights yesterday, but taking them down is going to have to wait for the use of a ladder we don't have. Maybe I'll price 'em at Home Depot today, since we do plan on having Christmas decorations again next time... ;-)
Posted by: McGehee at January 03, 2005 07:44 AM (S504z)
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Perhaps I should comment, since I've actually worked in Europe.
Every single one of my UK friends (and these include civil servants) were back at work last week, and are back at work today. One of my best friends over there is former BBC; he used to comment (in good humor, but seriously) that he hardly had to work at all at this hard-driving American company compared to the hours he put in at the Beeb.
When I was working with Scient Paris (which was previously a French company that Scient bought, so "American culture" didn't apply), when they had a project, they killed themselves to get it done. The same was true of Scient UK engineers; they would work themselves silly to hit a deadline. They worked so hard, at times, that I had to send them home for their own health.
The engineers I worked with in Germany were much the same way. Yes, they got a lot of holidays, but, they lacked absolutely nothing in dedication compared to US employees.
Every European I interacted with (admittedly, a class that was largely confined to professional types, but we're not comparing Wal*Mart employees here) had tremendous pride in their job and their ability to accomplish work. I find absolutely no ring of truth in the idea that Europeans simply don't care about their jobs, or that they don't work hard to pay for their holidays. They know how good they have it, and they work to make it happen. Let's not confuse, for example, the British reflex against tooting your own horn with lack of pride in accomplishment; the British have always valued energy.
Europe does have a huge problem, that just about every industrialized country in the world (including the US, although not as severely) has: A falling birth rate. That's the economic time bomb that's waiting to go off. Europe's rate of growth is lower than the US, and that's a real problem and one that shouldn't be handwaved away with "quality of life," but let's not get too cocky, here. In 2050, we're all going to be facing the same problem.
Taking the fact that Europeans get more holidays that we do in the US and generalizing it into conclusions that infantilize Europeans seems, to put it mildly, unsupported by the evidence.
Posted by: Christophe at January 03, 2005 08:21 AM (2rBIo)
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Christophe sounds like he knows whereof he speaks, so IÂ’m disagreeing less with his facts than with his emphasis.
IÂ’m sure there are plenty of hard-working people in Europe, just as there are plenty of idlers in the U. S. That being said, my own impression visiting the place was that there was less of a work ethic in Europe, and friends who have been there agreed. This may well be more of a problem in certain sectors of the economy, like retail business and personal service.
The difference in growth rates between the two economies is small but real, and compound interest will sharpen that difference over time. The demographic difference is more stark than Christophe admits, and goes to the heart of competitiveness between Europe and America. Right now Europe’s biggest point of leverage is the ability to impose uniform regulatory and antitrust standards on U. S. companies, as the price for access to a huge share of the global consumer market. That share will decline both relatively and absolutely over time. More immigration might help the problem, but at the cost of worsening some already pretty serious problems—a sort of continent-scale Kosovo doesn’t seem unimaginable at this point.
IÂ’m gonna go along with Steyn and our hostess: Europe may be partying now, but by 2025 theyÂ’re going to be coping with a he77 of a hangover.
Posted by: utron at January 03, 2005 09:47 AM (CgIkY)
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If work ethic was all that it took to make a country succeed, we wouldn't have to talk about Japan's "lost decade."
All major economic units impose regulations and restrictions on imports. Europe is far from unique in this regard. The PRC essentially mandates theft of IP as a condition of doing business there, yet we don't hear howl about how the PRC is "regulating US business."
In 1901, there were widespread predictions that the British Empire would end up devouring the whole world; after all, who could compete with the industrialized, efficient, militarily-indefeatable, world-straddling British? I would strongly advise against hubris when attempting to study the future.
Posted by: Christophe at January 03, 2005 11:03 AM (2rBIo)
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I wasnÂ’t really howling, Christophe. The EU can legitimately set standards for products sold in Europe, and market forces make it cheaper for American companies to follow a single set of EU standards than to follow one standard there, one standard elsewhere. I just think those forces arenÂ’t trending in EuropeÂ’s favor over the long term. The PRC is a much more unfair business environment, and it will be interesting to see how the growing clout of that market plays out. (Not in a good way, IÂ’m guessing.)
And the point about hubris is well taken; we’re not all subjects of the Queen, and Japan isn’t the new superpower. Most predictions about the future (including mine!) attach too much weight to one set of factors, positive or negative, while ignoring other factors that might complicate the picture. Maybe I’ve been reading too much about Europe as the “new superpower”—I just finished T. H. Reid’s book—but I suspect the future is going to be a little tougher and more complicated than that. And that goes for us Yanks, too.
Posted by: utron at January 03, 2005 12:04 PM (CgIkY)
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Hey--I'm not commenting on the dedication of individuals. I'm commenting on the difference in work ethic between large populations who feel entitled to six weeks of vacation a year, and those who begin at 0, work a year or two at a new job, and work their way up to 2 weeks, finally nabbing three weeks after years and years at a company.
And the amazement I felt when France passed a law
forbidding its citizens to work more than 30 hours a week, under any circumstances. There is something truly shocking about the government telling people that they may not work more than a certain number of hours, even if they need the money.
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 03, 2005 12:21 PM (SuJa4)
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Well, to paraphrase Lady Thatcher, there's no such thing as a population. It's a bunch of individuals. I have to say that I saw no lack of work ethic among the individuals I had contact with. I think it is a fallacy to say that someone who gets x days of vacation a year is automatically a harder worker than someone who gets x+1 days.
Setting aside the whole "feeling entitled" thing (if my company gives me x amount of vacation, I feel entitlted to it, regardless of what x is, and regardless of the country), the argument seems to be:
1. Europeans work shorter hours than Americans.
2. Europe's economic growth is slower than America's.
3. Europe should have economic growth that is equivalent to America's, or bad things will happen.
4. If Europe worked as many hours as America, it would have equivalent economic growth.
Therefore, Europe is a bunch of doo-doo heads for not working as hard.
#1 and #2 are facts.
#3 is arguable, although I'm not going to argue against economic growth
a priori. But the thing that will really kill Europe is the low birth rate, not the slow economic growth rate. Unless one is willing to posit an argument that somehow relates the low birth rate to the amount of holiday that Europeans get, I'd have to say that it isn't part of this discussion.
#4 is highly debatable. Germany had years of very high growth while working not as many hours as Americans. Japan worked itself to death (literally) in the 1990s, to no avail.
Thus, I'd have to conclude that the intellectual part of the argument is, at best, unproven.
The other part of the argument is where it really becomes clear that America was founded by Puritans. C'mon, isn't "sin" what we are really talking about here? Of all the sins, sloth was the worst to the Puritans, and that's still a fundamental part of the American religion. They expect time off? Hah! They should earn it by working as hard as we do.
It might be a satisfying argument, and it is entertaining to watch America point fingers at Europe while a certain very large nuclear power rises unchecked behind us, but this isn't an economic argument. It's a theological one.
Posted by: Christophe at January 03, 2005 01:08 PM (2rBIo)
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I'm sorry; I haven't had enough tea today. You're talking China, or India?
The discussion hinges on causality, which is, of course difficult to prove under the best of circumstances and close to impossible to prove when we're discussing work ethics on two different land masses as they relate to economic activity.
I believe part of the fascination Americans/Canadians/Australians have with Europeans—both in the UK and on the Continent—is that they are our cultural (and often biological) cousins, so there may be more of a desire to gossip about them.
Two more little things:
1) The concern is not so much that Euros are "doo-doo heads," but that if they experience a huge economic crash it absolutely will affect the world economy in the same way Japan's recession has been a drag on the world economy.
2) Some people feel that the population-growth problems in most of the West may simply be solved by immigration. The debate then becomes about how this is handled, and to what degree the "host nation" is changed by these immigrants, versus changing them.
It's almost 3:30 in the afternoon, and I'm typing this in my bathrobe. Thought you'd want to know that.
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 03, 2005 03:23 PM (SuJa4)
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One thing I've observed is that there are a fair number of people who put in a lot of hours, but also waste a lot of time (and waste other people's time while doing it)
Ideally, people would focus on getting the job done, and work more hours when necessary, but not make a fetish of it.
I think that historically, being an aristocrat usually mean not exerting oneself unduly, and this attitude of emotional distance from work has something to do with Europe's problems...I'm by no means saying that all or even most Europeans are like this, but I do think that the aristocratic worldview probably continues to influence European work culture.
Posted by: David Foster at January 03, 2005 04:19 PM (y66SU)
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Saved me the trouble of asking you what you were wearing. :-)
I'm referring to China, although India has some possibilities. China, not being a democracy, doesn't have to worry about details like how much people might actually *want* to work and things like that, and anyone who thinks that China isn't aiming to replace the US as the East Asian hegemon has a very shaky grasp of history. The PRC is gunning for the US. Nothing personal, it's just what great powers do.
Of course, an EU-wide recession would be a bad thing. A US recession would be a very, very bad thing, and I hope that no one is naive enough to assume that the US has been given a special pass to avoid economic cycles and is now immune to recession. Heaven forfend that we stop wanting as much stuff made in East Asia as we do right now; that could turn into a vicious cycle very easily.
But modern industrial economies are very strong, and work themselves out pretty well. (My apologies to those people who have, or will have, lost jobs, had lives ruined, etc., by this "economic cycle" ... there's a reason it's called the dismal science.)
I don't think that European work hours are, by themselves, the reason that Europe's economy sputtering. The French hours law is idiotic, no question. (And, worse than being idiotic, it's been pretty much ignored in many industries.)
Since you didn't ask, I'll say that the main reason is that Europe delivers far too many social services through employment, and thus makes hiring and firing needlessly complex. (Note that my issue is not with the social services per se, but the delivery mechanism.)
It is also far too bureaucratic to start a business (France and Germany are the worst offenders; the UK is pretty good, better than some US states), which inhibits people from just throwing themselves into it.
The US also has about the most debtor-friendly bankruptcy law in the world (short of regimes that are out and out corrupt), and that is either a symptom or cause of a culture that encourages risk-taking in business.
But I just don't buy the "Americans are made of sterner stuff" argument. It's not a moral issue, it's just math. American exceptionalism seems to be the dominant mode of thinking over here, and I think it is worse than wrong: it's unwise, because it lures us into lazy thinking that somehow, just being American is enough.
Posted by: Christophe at January 03, 2005 04:44 PM (2rBIo)
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If you'd asked, I would have given a much better answer

I can't imagine thinking that just being American is enough--either for the country's foreign policy, or for the life I lead (or expect from those I consider my socieconomic "peers").
And I recognize that both: 1) there are some tremendous social pathologies over here that limit what people can/will do in their own lives, and 2) there are large numbers of driven, creative, innovative people on every country and continent.
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 03, 2005 07:19 PM (SuJa4)
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Sorry, but I must reply to Christophe's very first post. I, too, worked in Europe and have a very different opinion.
I spent six weeks with a colleague in Belgium putting in a new computer system. Every day at 10:00 everyone left the floor, no matter what they were doing. They went to the breakroom. Everyone, from General Manager to data entry.
Same thing at 2 in the afternoon.
The breaks weren't long, but no one missed one -- ever.
At five the place was deserted. We had to leave because they locked the gates and we wouldn't be able to get out.
We wanted to work one weekend and it took an act of God to make it possible. It took half a day getting the approvals and making the arrangements -- we had to coordinate with the weekend guards to make sure they knew it was happening and this fantastic event was actually OK.
That weekend we waited two hours for the guards to remember that we needed to get into the building.
I walk out of the building and if I'm on a big project I am still thinking about it when I go to bed. They walk out of the building and you are lucky to have them thinking about it sometime next morning.
These are not stupid people, or lazy people. They do, however, have a totally different attitude towards life than we do.
Our deadlines for European projects are never met. Someone will get pregnant and have to have the next six months off and no one bothers to tell us, or something else will come up and it's "oh well, maybe next time".
We are in the process of centralizing the ERP systems for countries around the globe in our American office. Not because this is the only place that can do it, it's the only place that will.
And, Christophe, it is not the number of hours that is worked -- it is the "git 'er done" attitude of Americans that ensure that our economy drives the world's.
Posted by: AlphaPatriot at January 05, 2005 09:32 PM (jIHx+)
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A lot of this is anecdotal, so limited in its usefulness. But I remember when my husband's boss' boyfriend was living in London, and wanted cable installed, it took months to schedule it--and their process for making it happen was hierarchical and inefficient.
When our friend called to complain, he was told, "I can tell by your accent you're American; you expect things to
work."
Posted by: Attila Girl at January 05, 2005 11:12 PM (8TapF)
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